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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A personal experience this last Sunday morning is a small but so important example of the loving hearts of our Elders at Highland.

I didn&#039;t feel too well when I got up.Highland and its great distances between point &quot;A&quot; and point &quot;B&quot; was too daunting to even consider,  so decided to ask for the church van to take me and my new scooter to services. 

Almost immediately following the baptism of a very special young boy, I had to leave. As everyone stood to sing, I &#039;scootered&#039; out to the lobby where I encountered a lovely young gal to whom I mentioned I&#039;d really like to go home, but had to wait for the van, after class time. She wished me well, went back into services and in literally a blink of an eye, out came her parents, one of our elders and his wife. They were so concerned, and immediately said they would take me home.

To &#039;take me home&#039; meant lugging the scooter up into their van and helping get my girth into the van. If  I hadn&#039;t experienced a full tearful melt down when we left the building, I probably would have doubled up in laughter at what that sight must have been. They drove me home, reverse and pour the scooter &amp; girth getting out of the van - they accompanied me to my apartment, hugged me, entreated me to let them know if I needed anything else and were able then to return to the remaining parts of the services.

Just one example of the expressions of caring, loving, gentle, sweet, and immediate attention from just one of   our many Elders and wives.  Thank You, LORD for your servant leaders at Highland!!

And Lynn - I too experienced the blessing of prayer time with the Elders and wives at Oak Hills the year I was fortunate to worship with Oak Hills members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A personal experience this last Sunday morning is a small but so important example of the loving hearts of our Elders at Highland.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t feel too well when I got up.Highland and its great distances between point &#8220;A&#8221; and point &#8220;B&#8221; was too daunting to even consider,  so decided to ask for the church van to take me and my new scooter to services. </p>
<p>Almost immediately following the baptism of a very special young boy, I had to leave. As everyone stood to sing, I &#8217;scootered&#8217; out to the lobby where I encountered a lovely young gal to whom I mentioned I&#8217;d really like to go home, but had to wait for the van, after class time. She wished me well, went back into services and in literally a blink of an eye, out came her parents, one of our elders and his wife. They were so concerned, and immediately said they would take me home.</p>
<p>To &#8216;take me home&#8217; meant lugging the scooter up into their van and helping get my girth into the van. If  I hadn&#8217;t experienced a full tearful melt down when we left the building, I probably would have doubled up in laughter at what that sight must have been. They drove me home, reverse and pour the scooter &amp; girth getting out of the van &#8211; they accompanied me to my apartment, hugged me, entreated me to let them know if I needed anything else and were able then to return to the remaining parts of the services.</p>
<p>Just one example of the expressions of caring, loving, gentle, sweet, and immediate attention from just one of   our many Elders and wives.  Thank You, LORD for your servant leaders at Highland!!</p>
<p>And Lynn &#8211; I too experienced the blessing of prayer time with the Elders and wives at Oak Hills the year I was fortunate to worship with Oak Hills members.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Trigg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Trigg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best example in my own life was the night my son was born.  I had a uterine rupture and was rushed to surgery.  My husband called one of our elders at 3am to tell him what happened.  He immediately came to the hospital to sit with my husband.  His wife got up and called every member of our church to ask them to pray for me.  Many came to the hospital in the middle of the night and prayed for me, encouraged my hsuband and/or held my newborn baby.  The church as it should be.

Another personal example is the men of Oak Hills Church in San Antonio.  My favorite part of the sevices there was when the elders and their wives positioned themselves around the auditorium and prayed with people.  The best memories I have of those days were men (and their wives) praying over me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best example in my own life was the night my son was born.  I had a uterine rupture and was rushed to surgery.  My husband called one of our elders at 3am to tell him what happened.  He immediately came to the hospital to sit with my husband.  His wife got up and called every member of our church to ask them to pray for me.  Many came to the hospital in the middle of the night and prayed for me, encouraged my hsuband and/or held my newborn baby.  The church as it should be.</p>
<p>Another personal example is the men of Oak Hills Church in San Antonio.  My favorite part of the sevices there was when the elders and their wives positioned themselves around the auditorium and prayed with people.  The best memories I have of those days were men (and their wives) praying over me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2009/11/11/eldering-at-its-best/comment-page-1#comment-81831</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Matt.  It&#039;s one of the great novels I&#039;ve read in my life.  I&#039;ve seen Jeff perform stories from the book in a one-man show, and I&#039;ve seen an audience full of preachers turned into a puddle of tears.  Find a copy read it.

nameless:  I&#039;m so sorry.  I so wish that you and your husband would have experienced the godly, nurturing prayers and encouragement of elders.  Let me encourage you to open your eyes for the informal shepherds that are around you.  They may be from that church or another one . . . from that denomination or another one . . . from your inner circle of friends or from a totally unexpected place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Matt.  It&#8217;s one of the great novels I&#8217;ve read in my life.  I&#8217;ve seen Jeff perform stories from the book in a one-man show, and I&#8217;ve seen an audience full of preachers turned into a puddle of tears.  Find a copy read it.</p>
<p>nameless:  I&#8217;m so sorry.  I so wish that you and your husband would have experienced the godly, nurturing prayers and encouragement of elders.  Let me encourage you to open your eyes for the informal shepherds that are around you.  They may be from that church or another one . . . from that denomination or another one . . . from your inner circle of friends or from a totally unexpected place.</p>
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		<title>By: nameless in TN</title>
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		<dc:creator>nameless in TN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hungering for this kind of leadership!  My husband and I, as ministers on church staff, have needed prayer and encouragement and our elders have offered none.  Is it up to us to plead for this?
We have resigned ourselves to try to be the kind of people we long to see, and hope one day to be in a church that has listening, praying elders.  
We&#039;re leaving paid ministry, too, by the way, and I wonder if it might have been different...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hungering for this kind of leadership!  My husband and I, as ministers on church staff, have needed prayer and encouragement and our elders have offered none.  Is it up to us to plead for this?<br />
We have resigned ourselves to try to be the kind of people we long to see, and hope one day to be in a church that has listening, praying elders.<br />
We&#8217;re leaving paid ministry, too, by the way, and I wonder if it might have been different&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,  I am a crazy reader... I read everything that I can get my hands on and Leaving Ruin is on my top 10 best books I ever read in my whole life.... love it and it will stay with you forever.  Mike is so right.....passages from the book will haunt you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,  I am a crazy reader&#8230; I read everything that I can get my hands on and Leaving Ruin is on my top 10 best books I ever read in my whole life&#8230;. love it and it will stay with you forever.  Mike is so right&#8230;..passages from the book will haunt you.</p>
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		<title>By: matt elliott</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2009/11/11/eldering-at-its-best/comment-page-1#comment-81828</link>
		<dc:creator>matt elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: your latest Twitter -- I&#039;ve never read &quot;Leaving Ruin.&quot;  That&#039;s by Jeff Berryman?  Is it a &quot;highly recommended&quot; situation?  Do tell.

You haven&#039;t blogged on books lately, by the way.  Your book-nerd audience isn&#039;t happy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: your latest Twitter &#8212; I&#8217;ve never read &#8220;Leaving Ruin.&#8221;  That&#8217;s by Jeff Berryman?  Is it a &#8220;highly recommended&#8221; situation?  Do tell.</p>
<p>You haven&#8217;t blogged on books lately, by the way.  Your book-nerd audience isn&#8217;t happy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kent H</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2009/11/11/eldering-at-its-best/comment-page-1#comment-81826</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to ponder why there were 46 comments on church signs and, now, 13 on elders.

The first elder to have much impact on me was a man named Harry Ayers in Oklahoma.  Harry was in his 70&#039;s or 80&#039;s and I was a pre-teen, but he made me feel important.

My favorite is Charlie Broom of Richardson East.  Charlie and Jodie showed up at 5:30 in the morning for the birth of my second daughter when we had no family in town and were just a scared young couple.   That, and a lot of other love from Charlie and Jodie, showed me how a true leader could love folks for Jesus.  Charlie is not in the best of health right now,  say a prayer for him and his amazing wife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to ponder why there were 46 comments on church signs and, now, 13 on elders.</p>
<p>The first elder to have much impact on me was a man named Harry Ayers in Oklahoma.  Harry was in his 70&#8217;s or 80&#8217;s and I was a pre-teen, but he made me feel important.</p>
<p>My favorite is Charlie Broom of Richardson East.  Charlie and Jodie showed up at 5:30 in the morning for the birth of my second daughter when we had no family in town and were just a scared young couple.   That, and a lot of other love from Charlie and Jodie, showed me how a true leader could love folks for Jesus.  Charlie is not in the best of health right now,  say a prayer for him and his amazing wife.</p>
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		<title>By: Savage</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2009/11/11/eldering-at-its-best/comment-page-1#comment-81819</link>
		<dc:creator>Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been thinking about those elders who influenced me over the years. From Everett Blanton in Amarillo to Mac Bibb and Gary Bradley in Lubbock. There are many others that have shown there is more to eldering than the title. I have also known lots of men that didnt have the title that did more eldering than those that did. It is that brief word of encouragement, that hug, but more so the guidance and council needed in special times. Just like ministers you dont have to have the title to do. In fact I think at times the title hinders a persons ability to do the job than good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been thinking about those elders who influenced me over the years. From Everett Blanton in Amarillo to Mac Bibb and Gary Bradley in Lubbock. There are many others that have shown there is more to eldering than the title. I have also known lots of men that didnt have the title that did more eldering than those that did. It is that brief word of encouragement, that hug, but more so the guidance and council needed in special times. Just like ministers you dont have to have the title to do. In fact I think at times the title hinders a persons ability to do the job than good.</p>
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		<title>By: K. Rex Butts</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. Rex Butts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent,

I agree whole-heartedly with you regarding the church being controlled by a few men.  Somehow the term &quot;overseer&quot; has allowed us to ignore passages like Eph 4.11-13 and a bunch of other passages (i.e., John 13) that inform us on what type of leadership is needed in churches.  But I also believe that our fellowship has made some great strides in the last couple of decades regarding the entire subject of church leadership and how to implement that in churches nearly 2,000 years removed from the churches of the NT.

Grace and peace,

Rex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent,</p>
<p>I agree whole-heartedly with you regarding the church being controlled by a few men.  Somehow the term &#8220;overseer&#8221; has allowed us to ignore passages like Eph 4.11-13 and a bunch of other passages (i.e., John 13) that inform us on what type of leadership is needed in churches.  But I also believe that our fellowship has made some great strides in the last couple of decades regarding the entire subject of church leadership and how to implement that in churches nearly 2,000 years removed from the churches of the NT.</p>
<p>Grace and peace,</p>
<p>Rex</p>
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		<title>By: Kent F</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2009/11/11/eldering-at-its-best/comment-page-1#comment-81816</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It goes without saying I&#039;ve experienced the gracious love of many elders in my day.  My father and father-in-law have been elders collecively for well over 50 years.

Having said that - I think most churches rely far too heavily on elders. The &quot;elder selection process&quot; creates an air of excitement, concern, debate, etc. in churches that is simply not found in Scripture.

I honestly don&#039;t think the church was established to by and large be controlled by a few men - I just don&#039;t believe that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It goes without saying I&#8217;ve experienced the gracious love of many elders in my day.  My father and father-in-law have been elders collecively for well over 50 years.</p>
<p>Having said that &#8211; I think most churches rely far too heavily on elders. The &#8220;elder selection process&#8221; creates an air of excitement, concern, debate, etc. in churches that is simply not found in Scripture.</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t think the church was established to by and large be controlled by a few men &#8211; I just don&#8217;t believe that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2009/11/11/eldering-at-its-best/comment-page-1#comment-81815</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we&#039;d had shepherds who encouraged, who led instead of followed a few vocal discontents (who later left), my husband would not have left the ministry 30 years ago.  He was a good preacher, worked well with people, and I loved what we were doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we&#8217;d had shepherds who encouraged, who led instead of followed a few vocal discontents (who later left), my husband would not have left the ministry 30 years ago.  He was a good preacher, worked well with people, and I loved what we were doing.</p>
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		<title>By: laura oldenburg</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2009/11/11/eldering-at-its-best/comment-page-1#comment-81814</link>
		<dc:creator>laura oldenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twice in the last 5 years Don and I have been on the receiving end of elder love.  Elders from both Highland in Abilene and Troy in Michigan have reached out on so many occasions during our struggles with life threatening health problems . Then after we returned to Africa we received encouragement and direction for our ministry.  But one statement really stands out to me. Maybe these are to be expected as what they do, but none the less they were precious and heartening to us both</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twice in the last 5 years Don and I have been on the receiving end of elder love.  Elders from both Highland in Abilene and Troy in Michigan have reached out on so many occasions during our struggles with life threatening health problems . Then after we returned to Africa we received encouragement and direction for our ministry.  But one statement really stands out to me. Maybe these are to be expected as what they do, but none the less they were precious and heartening to us both</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angela - I&#039;ve been on the same receiving end of that care!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angela &#8211; I&#8217;ve been on the same receiving end of that care!</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve only visited Abilene and Highland on one occasion.  Jimmy and I were attending a conference and had been invited to stay with David and Jeanne Wray.  We had been deeply wounded and weren&#039;t sure if we wanted to have anything to do with organized religion ever again.  David and Jeanne both ministered to us that weekend...in their home, in a restaurant, and in the worship service at Highland.    Obviously, I&#039;m not a member of the church for which David serves as an elder, but he shepherded my heart that weekend and showed me the love and compassion of a true, spirit-led leader.  I&#039;m thankful that David saw fit to minister to two stray lambs who were without direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve only visited Abilene and Highland on one occasion.  Jimmy and I were attending a conference and had been invited to stay with David and Jeanne Wray.  We had been deeply wounded and weren&#8217;t sure if we wanted to have anything to do with organized religion ever again.  David and Jeanne both ministered to us that weekend&#8230;in their home, in a restaurant, and in the worship service at Highland.    Obviously, I&#8217;m not a member of the church for which David serves as an elder, but he shepherded my heart that weekend and showed me the love and compassion of a true, spirit-led leader.  I&#8217;m thankful that David saw fit to minister to two stray lambs who were without direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Canada Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canada Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had shepherds when I was in youth ministry who stood behind me during a painful split. They stood (literally), all five, behind the pulpit and fired the minister responsible. I will never forget that. One reason I am still in ministry was because of how they handled that. Strong, but gracious, shepherds hurting for the flock, doing the right thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had shepherds when I was in youth ministry who stood behind me during a painful split. They stood (literally), all five, behind the pulpit and fired the minister responsible. I will never forget that. One reason I am still in ministry was because of how they handled that. Strong, but gracious, shepherds hurting for the flock, doing the right thing.</p>
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