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	<title>Comments on: My Summer of &#8217;68</title>
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		<title>By: clint</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2009/06/02/charlie-chaplin-bob-gibson/comment-page-1#comment-79991</link>
		<dc:creator>clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the clint above is not me</description>
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		<title>By: clint</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2009/06/02/charlie-chaplin-bob-gibson/comment-page-1#comment-79981</link>
		<dc:creator>clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me add a fourth area of moral inconsistency regarding the pro-life movement, adding to the three Henry mentioned above.

If you really--as in really, truly--believe abortion is murder how could so many pro-life supporters reduce pregnancy prevention to abstinence-only programs?  If abortion is murder then any and all means are necessary to prevent potential pregnancy and subsequent abortions.  To be pro-life and abstinence-only is to make your sexual ethic &lt;i&gt;more important&lt;/i&gt; that all those aborted babies.  Rather than handing out condoms you are willing to live with more abortions.  

Just one more way, added to Henry&#039;s list, that shows the moral inconsistencies of the pro-life movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me add a fourth area of moral inconsistency regarding the pro-life movement, adding to the three Henry mentioned above.</p>
<p>If you really&#8211;as in really, truly&#8211;believe abortion is murder how could so many pro-life supporters reduce pregnancy prevention to abstinence-only programs?  If abortion is murder then any and all means are necessary to prevent potential pregnancy and subsequent abortions.  To be pro-life and abstinence-only is to make your sexual ethic <i>more important</i> that all those aborted babies.  Rather than handing out condoms you are willing to live with more abortions.  </p>
<p>Just one more way, added to Henry&#8217;s list, that shows the moral inconsistencies of the pro-life movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Awtrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Awtrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 03:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1968 yes what a year.  I was listening to Harry Carey and Jack Buck every night.  Yes there were many other things happening that year but as a 9 year old, they didn&#039;t compare to my St. Louis Cardinals, Bob Gibson and Lou Brock.  Nothing else really mattered.  I would go to the corner store in south St. Louis and get that package of baseball cards hoping it would have a Cardinal.  I can still taste that flat piece of bubble gum!!  That was also my first year as a camper at our church camp!  Haven&#039;t missed a summer of church camp since!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1968 yes what a year.  I was listening to Harry Carey and Jack Buck every night.  Yes there were many other things happening that year but as a 9 year old, they didn&#8217;t compare to my St. Louis Cardinals, Bob Gibson and Lou Brock.  Nothing else really mattered.  I would go to the corner store in south St. Louis and get that package of baseball cards hoping it would have a Cardinal.  I can still taste that flat piece of bubble gum!!  That was also my first year as a camper at our church camp!  Haven&#8217;t missed a summer of church camp since!</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent a lot of time listening to the Cards during that time frame.  My dad would go into my sister&#039;s room where there was a radio and lay on the bed and listen to the game.   I would go in there and lay down by him and listen with him.   I&#039;m sure it wasn&#039;t as often as I think, but it is one of the fondest memories I have with him.   Being from the bootheel of Mo. each and every game was recounted and analyzed in the local barber shop and coffee shop the next day.   Many times I was there with my Dad listening to the conversation of grown up men excited like little boys.  I remember Gibson got so mad if anyone got a hit off him much less score a run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent a lot of time listening to the Cards during that time frame.  My dad would go into my sister&#8217;s room where there was a radio and lay on the bed and listen to the game.   I would go in there and lay down by him and listen with him.   I&#8217;m sure it wasn&#8217;t as often as I think, but it is one of the fondest memories I have with him.   Being from the bootheel of Mo. each and every game was recounted and analyzed in the local barber shop and coffee shop the next day.   Many times I was there with my Dad listening to the conversation of grown up men excited like little boys.  I remember Gibson got so mad if anyone got a hit off him much less score a run.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I get for running away from my packing and not proofing - here&#039;s what the above should read:

Henry, yours  imho, is triangulation at its best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I get for running away from my packing and not proofing &#8211; here&#8217;s what the above should read:</p>
<p>Henry, yours  imho, is triangulation at its best.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry, Yours is, imho, riangulation at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry, Yours is, imho, riangulation at best.</p>
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		<title>By: clint</title>
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		<dc:creator>clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not wise to throw rocks at your own glass house.</description>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a dispassionate examination of the typical pro-life position reveals a host of inconsistencies and contradictions.  (Note, I&#039;m pro-life but idiosyncratic in my ancillary beliefs due to my attempts to be thoughtfully moral rather than ideological on this issue.)

First, if pro-life advocates really believe that abortion is &quot;murder&quot; then the killing of Dr. Tiller seems perfectly justified, equivalent to trying to assassinate Hitler.  So it&#039;s morally inconsistent for pro-life people to shy away from endorsing the Tiller killing.  If you are pro-life you are morally culpable if you &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t shoot&lt;/i&gt; abortion doctors.  That is, unless, one is a committed pacifist, rejecting &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; violence.  But most pro-life people at my church are not pacifists.  In short, if you wanted to be a morally consistent pro-life person you either 1) Must acknowledge that it is your moral duty to shoot abortion doctors and act on that belief (or be a coward and hypocrite), or 2) Be a committed pacifist across the board.  

Second, most pro-life people contend that &quot;life&quot; begins at conception.  If so then late term abortions are morally equivalent to first trimester abortions.  But the pro-life camp consistently targets late term abortionists (like Dr. Tiller) for their acute ire and violence.  But this uneven rage toward late term abortions tacitly endorses the logic of Roe v. Wade, that the moral status of the fetus isn&#039;t a binary issue but is continuous and increasing across the trimesters.  In short, the killing of Dr. Tiller, as a late term abortion provider, is an illustration of how, at a tacit level, most pro-life supporters acknowledge the logic of Roe v. Wade.

Finally, most pro-life supporters are Republicans and would likely attend no tax &quot;tea parties.&quot;  In short, they are demanding millions of babies to be born each year while failing to vote for social policies that would support those babies and their mothers.  Pro-life policy creates acute, real-world economic pressures, affecting not only the mother&#039;s choice but the well-being of the child after birth.  The only morally consistent policy position is to be a pro-life &lt;i&gt;Democrat&lt;/i&gt; where one is both voting for life &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; social policies aimed at aiding mothers and children in the lowest economic brackets after pro-life policies have been implemented.

The sum of the matter:  Most pro-life people I know at church are morally confused on multiple different levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a dispassionate examination of the typical pro-life position reveals a host of inconsistencies and contradictions.  (Note, I&#8217;m pro-life but idiosyncratic in my ancillary beliefs due to my attempts to be thoughtfully moral rather than ideological on this issue.)</p>
<p>First, if pro-life advocates really believe that abortion is &#8220;murder&#8221; then the killing of Dr. Tiller seems perfectly justified, equivalent to trying to assassinate Hitler.  So it&#8217;s morally inconsistent for pro-life people to shy away from endorsing the Tiller killing.  If you are pro-life you are morally culpable if you <i>don&#8217;t shoot</i> abortion doctors.  That is, unless, one is a committed pacifist, rejecting <i>all</i> violence.  But most pro-life people at my church are not pacifists.  In short, if you wanted to be a morally consistent pro-life person you either 1) Must acknowledge that it is your moral duty to shoot abortion doctors and act on that belief (or be a coward and hypocrite), or 2) Be a committed pacifist across the board.  </p>
<p>Second, most pro-life people contend that &#8220;life&#8221; begins at conception.  If so then late term abortions are morally equivalent to first trimester abortions.  But the pro-life camp consistently targets late term abortionists (like Dr. Tiller) for their acute ire and violence.  But this uneven rage toward late term abortions tacitly endorses the logic of Roe v. Wade, that the moral status of the fetus isn&#8217;t a binary issue but is continuous and increasing across the trimesters.  In short, the killing of Dr. Tiller, as a late term abortion provider, is an illustration of how, at a tacit level, most pro-life supporters acknowledge the logic of Roe v. Wade.</p>
<p>Finally, most pro-life supporters are Republicans and would likely attend no tax &#8220;tea parties.&#8221;  In short, they are demanding millions of babies to be born each year while failing to vote for social policies that would support those babies and their mothers.  Pro-life policy creates acute, real-world economic pressures, affecting not only the mother&#8217;s choice but the well-being of the child after birth.  The only morally consistent policy position is to be a pro-life <i>Democrat</i> where one is both voting for life <i>and</i> social policies aimed at aiding mothers and children in the lowest economic brackets after pro-life policies have been implemented.</p>
<p>The sum of the matter:  Most pro-life people I know at church are morally confused on multiple different levels.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Lowry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Lowry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Francis Schaeffer    : (</description>
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		<title>By: louis</title>
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		<dc:creator>louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we honestly believe (I do) that abortion is the taking of innocent life, then the terms we use to describe it are bound to be laden with violent implications.  A strong denunciation of extremist violence is a must (and I&#039;m glad to see that those denunciations are coming from many corners of the pro-life and evangelical circles), but it must not be accompanied by a watering down of the message.
It is a dreadful thing to discuss.  Let&#039;s not let that stop us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we honestly believe (I do) that abortion is the taking of innocent life, then the terms we use to describe it are bound to be laden with violent implications.  A strong denunciation of extremist violence is a must (and I&#8217;m glad to see that those denunciations are coming from many corners of the pro-life and evangelical circles), but it must not be accompanied by a watering down of the message.<br />
It is a dreadful thing to discuss.  Let&#8217;s not let that stop us.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaime Sanderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaime Sanderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended my first Tokens show this past December.  Made a FOOL OUT OF MYSELF talking to Amy Grant (Vince Gill was one of the main performers) that night.  The show was amazing!!  It&#039;s a DEFINITE MUST if you are in Nashville!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended my first Tokens show this past December.  Made a FOOL OUT OF MYSELF talking to Amy Grant (Vince Gill was one of the main performers) that night.  The show was amazing!!  It&#8217;s a DEFINITE MUST if you are in Nashville!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Geezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah 1968, what a year!  The Battle of Chicago,  preceded by the RFK assassination, preceded by the MLK Jr. assassination, preceded by My Lai.  And all that went with it from civil rights and anti war demonstrations; to Resurrection City in D. C. a few years earlier, and all the free concerts with Peter, Paul and Mary, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez etc.  (They say if you can remember the 60s you weren&#039;t really there but that is just intended to be humorous.)  

I watched it all on the evening news and believed (ever so naively) that Walter Cronkite and the rest of national news anchors were objectively reporting the news.  We smoked marijuana as often as we could and predicted it would be legal in five years at the most.  The next summer I hitched hiked and hopped freight trains around the country from Abilene to northern New Mexico communes to California and back again.  I gotta admit I wasn&#039;t your typical ACC boy then nor now.  I could not have cared less about sports as there were momentous intellects currents afloat and &quot;the times, they were a changin&quot; 

What fantastic visions we claimed all the while believing that man was basically good and that, given enough time, we would solve all our problems.  You see in the CofC I was taught that man was basically good and that God had done his part and now we just needed to do our part.

Thirty years later I would visit Toul Sleng prison -  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuol_Sleng - and then walk the killing fields and kick at the dirt under the tree where they tossed the babies in the air and bayoneted them on the way down before raping the mother.  I picked up a human tooth from the dirt and keep it in one of those little velvet boxes that engagement rings come in.  At the end of that day I retired to the Foreign Correspondents Club overlooking the Mekong river to drink enough to become less sober after the day&#039;s sight seeing.  I still don&#039;t know what to do with the tooth - whether to bury it or cremate it - but I keep it and show it to people that tell me mankind is basically good.  

What a difference a few years makes in one&#039;s perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah 1968, what a year!  The Battle of Chicago,  preceded by the RFK assassination, preceded by the MLK Jr. assassination, preceded by My Lai.  And all that went with it from civil rights and anti war demonstrations; to Resurrection City in D. C. a few years earlier, and all the free concerts with Peter, Paul and Mary, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez etc.  (They say if you can remember the 60s you weren&#8217;t really there but that is just intended to be humorous.)  </p>
<p>I watched it all on the evening news and believed (ever so naively) that Walter Cronkite and the rest of national news anchors were objectively reporting the news.  We smoked marijuana as often as we could and predicted it would be legal in five years at the most.  The next summer I hitched hiked and hopped freight trains around the country from Abilene to northern New Mexico communes to California and back again.  I gotta admit I wasn&#8217;t your typical ACC boy then nor now.  I could not have cared less about sports as there were momentous intellects currents afloat and &#8220;the times, they were a changin&#8221; </p>
<p>What fantastic visions we claimed all the while believing that man was basically good and that, given enough time, we would solve all our problems.  You see in the CofC I was taught that man was basically good and that God had done his part and now we just needed to do our part.</p>
<p>Thirty years later I would visit Toul Sleng prison &#8211;  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuol_Sleng" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuol_Sleng</a> &#8211; and then walk the killing fields and kick at the dirt under the tree where they tossed the babies in the air and bayoneted them on the way down before raping the mother.  I picked up a human tooth from the dirt and keep it in one of those little velvet boxes that engagement rings come in.  At the end of that day I retired to the Foreign Correspondents Club overlooking the Mekong river to drink enough to become less sober after the day&#8217;s sight seeing.  I still don&#8217;t know what to do with the tooth &#8211; whether to bury it or cremate it &#8211; but I keep it and show it to people that tell me mankind is basically good.  </p>
<p>What a difference a few years makes in one&#8217;s perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I, too, was listening to the Cards on a transistor radio, in Memphis.  I&#039;m not convinced Detroit needed to win the Series.  After all, I needed the Cardinals to win!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I, too, was listening to the Cards on a transistor radio, in Memphis.  I&#8217;m not convinced Detroit needed to win the Series.  After all, I needed the Cardinals to win!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Slater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1968, with racial riots, unrest and a city on the verge of imploding, Detroit NEEDED that World Series win.  One might even suggest that there was Divine intervention as the Tigers came back from a 3 games to 1 deficit and Mickey Lolich (a 3 game winner in the &#039;68 series) beat Bob Gibson in game 7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1968, with racial riots, unrest and a city on the verge of imploding, Detroit NEEDED that World Series win.  One might even suggest that there was Divine intervention as the Tigers came back from a 3 games to 1 deficit and Mickey Lolich (a 3 game winner in the &#8217;68 series) beat Bob Gibson in game 7.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed that Schaeffer&#039;s bio at the Huffington Post reveals that he survived both polio and a fundamentalist/evangelical upbringing.  Poor guy.  So glad he&#039;s recovered.</description>
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