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		<title>By: Keith Brenton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Brenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 00:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, Driscoll is not behind this series of YouTube videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCNo_voO2l4. (Mike, don't feel obligated to post this. The language will offend some, and everything else about it will offend everyone else.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, Driscoll is not behind this series of YouTube videos: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCNo_voO2l4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCNo_voO2l4</a>. (Mike, don&#8217;t feel obligated to post this. The language will offend some, and everything else about it will offend everyone else.)</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Laudett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Laudett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 12:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not read Driscoll's books.

I loved Paul Coughlin's "No More Jellyfish, Chickens, or Wimps."  It should be read by all fathers and mothers.  It deals with confronting the abuse and bullying of children in our society.  We do need men who will take initiative and responsibility.  We need men who will demonstrate the courage to confront destructive behaviors around them. (Of course, we need women who will do the same.)  We need to motivate passive men to become good men.  Otherwise, our families, churches, and communities suffer from passive and irresponsible men.  To paraphrase Bill Cosby, "When a family has no father, it's a difficulty.  When a community has no fathers, it's a tragedy."  Let's encourage and help the men in our churches to be active and responsible men in their families, churches, and communities.  (We don't need to diminish women in order to do this.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not read Driscoll&#8217;s books.</p>
<p>I loved Paul Coughlin&#8217;s &#8220;No More Jellyfish, Chickens, or Wimps.&#8221;  It should be read by all fathers and mothers.  It deals with confronting the abuse and bullying of children in our society.  We do need men who will take initiative and responsibility.  We need men who will demonstrate the courage to confront destructive behaviors around them. (Of course, we need women who will do the same.)  We need to motivate passive men to become good men.  Otherwise, our families, churches, and communities suffer from passive and irresponsible men.  To paraphrase Bill Cosby, &#8220;When a family has no father, it&#8217;s a difficulty.  When a community has no fathers, it&#8217;s a tragedy.&#8221;  Let&#8217;s encourage and help the men in our churches to be active and responsible men in their families, churches, and communities.  (We don&#8217;t need to diminish women in order to do this.)</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last place I expect to be called "chick" is from another member of the Body of Christ. When I read things like this, it feels like the male part of the Body is telling the female part of the Body, "We don't need you......chicks."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last place I expect to be called &#8220;chick&#8221; is from another member of the Body of Christ. When I read things like this, it feels like the male part of the Body is telling the female part of the Body, &#8220;We don&#8217;t need you&#8230;&#8230;chicks.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TN Lizzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>TN Lizzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 04:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RogueMinister posted a poem called "Manly Man."

I like this one better:

You
by Edgar Guest 

You are the fellow that has to decide
Whether you'll do it or toss it aside.
You are the fellow who makes up your mind
Whether you'll lead or will linger behind
Whether you'll try for the goal that's afar
Or just be contented to stay where you are.
Take it or leave it. Here's something to do!
Just think it over --- It's all up to you!

What do you wish? To be known as a shirk,
Known as a good man who's willing to work,
Scorned for a loafer or praised by your chief,
Rich man or poor man or beggar or thief?
Eager or earnest or dull through the day,
Honest or crooked? It's you who must say!
You must decide in the face of the test
Whether you'll shirk it or give it your best.

Nobody here will compel you to rise;
No one will force you to open your eyes;
No one will answer for you yes or no,
Whether to stay there or whether to go.
Life is a game, but it's you who must say,
Whether as cheat or as sportsman you'll play.
Fate may betray you, but you settle first
Whether to live to your best or your worst.

So, whatever it is you are wanting to be,
Remember, to fashion the choice you are free.
Kindly or selfish, or gentle or strong,
Keeping the right way or taking the wrong,
Careless of honor or guarding your pride,
All these are questions which you must decide.
Yours the selection, whichever you do;
The thing men call character's all up to you!
__________________________________________________________
Edgar Guest wrote some other great stuff for you Real Men!
A Man
Answering Him
The Brethren

I thank the men of God who have character! Thank you for letting me see Jesus in you.

&#60;, TN Lizzie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RogueMinister posted a poem called &#8220;Manly Man.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like this one better:</p>
<p>You<br />
by Edgar Guest </p>
<p>You are the fellow that has to decide<br />
Whether you&#8217;ll do it or toss it aside.<br />
You are the fellow who makes up your mind<br />
Whether you&#8217;ll lead or will linger behind<br />
Whether you&#8217;ll try for the goal that&#8217;s afar<br />
Or just be contented to stay where you are.<br />
Take it or leave it. Here&#8217;s something to do!<br />
Just think it over &#8212; It&#8217;s all up to you!</p>
<p>What do you wish? To be known as a shirk,<br />
Known as a good man who&#8217;s willing to work,<br />
Scorned for a loafer or praised by your chief,<br />
Rich man or poor man or beggar or thief?<br />
Eager or earnest or dull through the day,<br />
Honest or crooked? It&#8217;s you who must say!<br />
You must decide in the face of the test<br />
Whether you&#8217;ll shirk it or give it your best.</p>
<p>Nobody here will compel you to rise;<br />
No one will force you to open your eyes;<br />
No one will answer for you yes or no,<br />
Whether to stay there or whether to go.<br />
Life is a game, but it&#8217;s you who must say,<br />
Whether as cheat or as sportsman you&#8217;ll play.<br />
Fate may betray you, but you settle first<br />
Whether to live to your best or your worst.</p>
<p>So, whatever it is you are wanting to be,<br />
Remember, to fashion the choice you are free.<br />
Kindly or selfish, or gentle or strong,<br />
Keeping the right way or taking the wrong,<br />
Careless of honor or guarding your pride,<br />
All these are questions which you must decide.<br />
Yours the selection, whichever you do;<br />
The thing men call character&#8217;s all up to you!<br />
__________________________________________________________<br />
Edgar Guest wrote some other great stuff for you Real Men!<br />
A Man<br />
Answering Him<br />
The Brethren</p>
<p>I thank the men of God who have character! Thank you for letting me see Jesus in you.</p>
<p>&lt;, TN Lizzie</p>
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		<title>By: Leland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 23:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben's comment was one of the top ten plays of the day. Probably number 2</description>
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		<title>By: Roger Butner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Butner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing this one, Mike.  Good food for thought.  I thought the quote from O'Brien was very poignant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this one, Mike.  Good food for thought.  I thought the quote from O&#8217;Brien was very poignant.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a really funny satire of "macho Jesus" writing, I recommend this entry from Brant Hansen's ongoing "Awesomely Bold Leadership" series on his blog:

http://branthansen.typepad.com/letters_from_kamp_krusty/2008/03/more-excerpts-t.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a really funny satire of &#8220;macho Jesus&#8221; writing, I recommend this entry from Brant Hansen&#8217;s ongoing &#8220;Awesomely Bold Leadership&#8221; series on his blog:</p>
<p><a href="http://branthansen.typepad.com/letters_from_kamp_krusty/2008/03/more-excerpts-t.html" rel="nofollow">http://branthansen.typepad.com/letters_from_kamp_krusty/2008/03/more-excerpts-t.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: RR</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2008/05/13/a-jesus-for-real-men#comment-72843</link>
		<dc:creator>RR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are lots of issues in this arena.  I wish there was an opportunity to discuss at length with all who have posted.  Very briefly, I believe it is very easy for us humans to lump people together, form opinions, and promote our pre-determined agendas without knowing all the facts and the hearts of the people we easily criticize--in this case at least one of the writers/speakers mentioned.  I find myself guilty of this tendency way too often.  About the time I think I am a little bit more knowing and enlightened than other folks, the Lord humbles me pretty quickly.
   While I don't agree with everything Eldredge says, I agree with those who have taken issue with lumping him in with the others. I have just returned from my second 4 day camp with John and his team.  I have read all his books, not just Wild at Heart (or pieces of it), and listened to/watched many of his other resource CD's and DVD's.  I have personally gotten to know one of the members of his ministry team and know him to be deeply passionate in his desire to be both a strong warrior for the kingdom and to walk in a spirit of humility, self-sacrifice, taking up his cross daily.  In no way does the ministry want to produce butt-kicking, macho, self-centered, junior high simpleton men, or produce women who are Barbie dolls, airheads, and who let men do whatever they want to do.  In fact, it is just the opposite.
    As one has already mentioned, I encourage anyone to read Sacred Romance, Waking the Dead, and his others.  Eldredge's newest book, Walking with God reveals a heart with an intense desire to be in an intimate relationship with the Lord, being a follower and not just a believer.  I have seen men and women's lives changed dramatically the last few years, with no small number of them greatly impacted by John's ministry.  The fruit has been amazing.
    I am one of those who have been positively impacted by this ministry.  It's messages have contributed in large measure to the healing, freedom, and joy that now reside in my own heart.  Blessings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are lots of issues in this arena.  I wish there was an opportunity to discuss at length with all who have posted.  Very briefly, I believe it is very easy for us humans to lump people together, form opinions, and promote our pre-determined agendas without knowing all the facts and the hearts of the people we easily criticize&#8211;in this case at least one of the writers/speakers mentioned.  I find myself guilty of this tendency way too often.  About the time I think I am a little bit more knowing and enlightened than other folks, the Lord humbles me pretty quickly.<br />
   While I don&#8217;t agree with everything Eldredge says, I agree with those who have taken issue with lumping him in with the others. I have just returned from my second 4 day camp with John and his team.  I have read all his books, not just Wild at Heart (or pieces of it), and listened to/watched many of his other resource CD&#8217;s and DVD&#8217;s.  I have personally gotten to know one of the members of his ministry team and know him to be deeply passionate in his desire to be both a strong warrior for the kingdom and to walk in a spirit of humility, self-sacrifice, taking up his cross daily.  In no way does the ministry want to produce butt-kicking, macho, self-centered, junior high simpleton men, or produce women who are Barbie dolls, airheads, and who let men do whatever they want to do.  In fact, it is just the opposite.<br />
    As one has already mentioned, I encourage anyone to read Sacred Romance, Waking the Dead, and his others.  Eldredge&#8217;s newest book, Walking with God reveals a heart with an intense desire to be in an intimate relationship with the Lord, being a follower and not just a believer.  I have seen men and women&#8217;s lives changed dramatically the last few years, with no small number of them greatly impacted by John&#8217;s ministry.  The fruit has been amazing.<br />
    I am one of those who have been positively impacted by this ministry.  It&#8217;s messages have contributed in large measure to the healing, freedom, and joy that now reside in my own heart.  Blessings.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 13:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to Steve Jr.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 13:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“Gender equality” has become a hobby horse of sorts for the Mars Hill group. It is sort of a designer theology.&lt;/i&gt;

Royce - You're spot-on in your first paragraph, but you get Mars Hill wrong in your second. Mars Hill is promoting a complementarian gender perspective to the max in a local and national culture that looks at them and scratches its collective head. (and not in the "what peculiar people ... I want what they have" sort of way)

Most of this stems, in my opinion, from a tidal wave-like resurgence of Reformed Theology in Western Evangelicalism.  John Piper is the elder statesman of the neo-Calvinist crew, and Driscoll his postmodern associate.  Both of them -- along with a slew of other nationally recognized writers, speakers, and pastors -- have turned to fundamentalism as a reaction to an increasingly secular and unchurched West.  (others, on the other end of the spectrum, have adopted a relativized Gospel of "whatever you want to believe")

Driscoll's comments, though masked with salty, provocative, relevant lingo, reflect nothing more than old fashioned fundamentalism and biblical literalism.  Many of us know where that path leads...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Gender equality” has become a hobby horse of sorts for the Mars Hill group. It is sort of a designer theology.</i></p>
<p>Royce - You&#8217;re spot-on in your first paragraph, but you get Mars Hill wrong in your second. Mars Hill is promoting a complementarian gender perspective to the max in a local and national culture that looks at them and scratches its collective head. (and not in the &#8220;what peculiar people &#8230; I want what they have&#8221; sort of way)</p>
<p>Most of this stems, in my opinion, from a tidal wave-like resurgence of Reformed Theology in Western Evangelicalism.  John Piper is the elder statesman of the neo-Calvinist crew, and Driscoll his postmodern associate.  Both of them &#8212; along with a slew of other nationally recognized writers, speakers, and pastors &#8212; have turned to fundamentalism as a reaction to an increasingly secular and unchurched West.  (others, on the other end of the spectrum, have adopted a relativized Gospel of &#8220;whatever you want to believe&#8221;)</p>
<p>Driscoll&#8217;s comments, though masked with salty, provocative, relevant lingo, reflect nothing more than old fashioned fundamentalism and biblical literalism.  Many of us know where that path leads&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Royce Ogle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Royce Ogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 02:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A grown man who routinely refers to women as "chicks" and men as "dudes" will not get my attention very long. There is no legitimate reason to use the slang of a 14 year old skate boarder to communicate with gen x'rs. Driscoll's hip lingo is perhaps one of his lesser flaws in my view.

"Gender equality" has become a hobby horse of sorts for the Mars Hill group. It is sort of a designer theology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A grown man who routinely refers to women as &#8220;chicks&#8221; and men as &#8220;dudes&#8221; will not get my attention very long. There is no legitimate reason to use the slang of a 14 year old skate boarder to communicate with gen x&#8217;rs. Driscoll&#8217;s hip lingo is perhaps one of his lesser flaws in my view.</p>
<p>&#8220;Gender equality&#8221; has become a hobby horse of sorts for the Mars Hill group. It is sort of a designer theology.</p>
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		<title>By: donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 00:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was about to comment on how I disagree with Mike Cope, until I looked at the YouTube interview.  Okay, that was ridiculous, self-serving, book promoting bunk.

That being said.  The whole masculinity movement is not all bunk.  It's not all about the "...the REAL Jesus — the Jesus who’d love to kick your butt."  A lot of it is about sucking it up and making hard decisions.  A lot of it is about accountability versus passivity.  Look, I don't have to work on being passive, that comes natural.  The fact is there are a lot of passive guys in church afraid to confront their kids, afraid to speak in public, afraid to share the gospel, afraid to disagree with their spouse, afraid to step up for themselves.  Rare is the man who finds that perfect balance between a zeal for God, a genuine love of his neighbor, and a spirit of vigor mixed with humility.  I can tell you as a man, I am drawn to them like a moth to a flame.  Does that make me gay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was about to comment on how I disagree with Mike Cope, until I looked at the YouTube interview.  Okay, that was ridiculous, self-serving, book promoting bunk.</p>
<p>That being said.  The whole masculinity movement is not all bunk.  It&#8217;s not all about the &#8220;&#8230;the REAL Jesus — the Jesus who’d love to kick your butt.&#8221;  A lot of it is about sucking it up and making hard decisions.  A lot of it is about accountability versus passivity.  Look, I don&#8217;t have to work on being passive, that comes natural.  The fact is there are a lot of passive guys in church afraid to confront their kids, afraid to speak in public, afraid to share the gospel, afraid to disagree with their spouse, afraid to step up for themselves.  Rare is the man who finds that perfect balance between a zeal for God, a genuine love of his neighbor, and a spirit of vigor mixed with humility.  I can tell you as a man, I am drawn to them like a moth to a flame.  Does that make me gay?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 23:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We also should use this as a reminder of not just who is already in the church, but those who are not. Why are men and younger generations not coming to church, and why are youth leaving the church at an alarming rate? We must take an inward look as the church at how we have failed them, but also be encouraged when they do come or when they return.

Brian Simmons wrote a great book about this:
&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Falling-Away-Christians-Their-Faith/dp/0891124969" rel="nofollow"&gt;Falling Away&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also should use this as a reminder of not just who is already in the church, but those who are not. Why are men and younger generations not coming to church, and why are youth leaving the church at an alarming rate? We must take an inward look as the church at how we have failed them, but also be encouraged when they do come or when they return.</p>
<p>Brian Simmons wrote a great book about this:<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Falling-Away-Christians-Their-Faith/dp/0891124969" rel="nofollow">Falling Away</a></p>
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		<title>By: dps</title>
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		<dc:creator>dps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 22:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

Thanks for your response to my own.  My intent was not to agree with his take (or even his insistence) of masculinity, but rather understand that he is obviously reaching a group of individuals that others (we/I) are not.  My point was that even in trying to deny ourselves (thus taking on an attitude of no gender, no race, to politics, no etc. in the death to self) I find it interesting that we still attract and often seek out those who most resemble our past/current selves.  Perhaps our tension with Driscoll (other than his tone/belief) is that he has pinpointed his target audience and has no qualms about it.  While we promote, discuss, and even try to reach out to those different from ourselves, our tendency, for the most part is to simply remain homogenous in the way we look, sound, and act.

Right or wrong, Driscoll is a reminder to us that we are not prepared or often times willing to reach out or be what certain individuals want or need.  Not that I am buying into Driscoll's theology, but it is a reminder to me to ask hard questions of myself in relationship to Christ.  To simply discount someone else's theology in turn is asking them to do the same with mine.

I appreciate your questioning of my intentions here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>Thanks for your response to my own.  My intent was not to agree with his take (or even his insistence) of masculinity, but rather understand that he is obviously reaching a group of individuals that others (we/I) are not.  My point was that even in trying to deny ourselves (thus taking on an attitude of no gender, no race, to politics, no etc. in the death to self) I find it interesting that we still attract and often seek out those who most resemble our past/current selves.  Perhaps our tension with Driscoll (other than his tone/belief) is that he has pinpointed his target audience and has no qualms about it.  While we promote, discuss, and even try to reach out to those different from ourselves, our tendency, for the most part is to simply remain homogenous in the way we look, sound, and act.</p>
<p>Right or wrong, Driscoll is a reminder to us that we are not prepared or often times willing to reach out or be what certain individuals want or need.  Not that I am buying into Driscoll&#8217;s theology, but it is a reminder to me to ask hard questions of myself in relationship to Christ.  To simply discount someone else&#8217;s theology in turn is asking them to do the same with mine.</p>
<p>I appreciate your questioning of my intentions here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Brenton</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2008/05/13/a-jesus-for-real-men#comment-72834</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Brenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 22:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason, a line from &lt;i&gt;Star Trek: The Motion Picture&lt;/i&gt; comes to mind: "We all create God in our own image."

I guess for the dude who is so insecure about his own masculinity that he's afraid to wear pink to church, for fear of being perceived as following a pansy Messiah, you'd have to expect him to create a completely imaginary Jesus with big honkin' biceps and short hair - even though scripture doesn't deign to describe Him physically in these ways at all.

It doesn't work to redefine Jesus as just another Norse warrior-god, because you would never catch any of them pulling punches while cleansing the temple, or conveying self-worth to an adultress, or washing someone else's stinky feet. He's not a smorgasbord of character traits you can pick a choose from. He is Who He is: the Son of God.

Isn't that enough for any of us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason, a line from <i>Star Trek: The Motion Picture</i> comes to mind: &#8220;We all create God in our own image.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess for the dude who is so insecure about his own masculinity that he&#8217;s afraid to wear pink to church, for fear of being perceived as following a pansy Messiah, you&#8217;d have to expect him to create a completely imaginary Jesus with big honkin&#8217; biceps and short hair - even though scripture doesn&#8217;t deign to describe Him physically in these ways at all.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t work to redefine Jesus as just another Norse warrior-god, because you would never catch any of them pulling punches while cleansing the temple, or conveying self-worth to an adultress, or washing someone else&#8217;s stinky feet. He&#8217;s not a smorgasbord of character traits you can pick a choose from. He is Who He is: the Son of God.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that enough for any of us?</p>
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