Comments on: Be Still and Know . . . http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know Sniffing out the work of God in the world... Sun, 20 Jul 2008 05:18:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: SG http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71166 SG Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:33:28 +0000 http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71166 Wow Talk about the comments having NOTHING to do witht he post! Did you guys read something I did not? Wow Talk about the comments having NOTHING to do witht he post! Did you guys read something I did not?

]]> By: preacherman http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71149 preacherman Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:09:17 +0000 http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71149 We as Christians should be glad that God is fighting our battles for us. He is with us. God is our rock. Our stonghold. Praise God for his Salvation that we can depend on and have confidence. I am glad that God is my source of hope during times of loneliness, suffering, pain, and various trials. I am glad that he is a God who joins us on the ash heap. Thank you Mike for this scripture and post. We as Christians should be glad that God is fighting our battles for us. He is with us. God is our rock. Our stonghold. Praise God for his Salvation that we can depend on and have confidence. I am glad that God is my source of hope during times of loneliness, suffering, pain, and various trials. I am glad that he is a God who joins us on the ash heap.

Thank you Mike for this scripture and post.

]]> By: Matt Stead http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71146 Matt Stead Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:30:56 +0000 http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71146 Here is an article on FoxNews about the homeless living in foreclosed homes. The article interviews Larry James for part of the response. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330984,00.html Matt Stead Here is an article on FoxNews about the homeless living in foreclosed homes. The article interviews Larry James for part of the response.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330984,00.html

Matt Stead

]]> By: Rex http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71145 Rex Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:29:47 +0000 http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71145 Jeff, This is not the place to lay out the truth claims (and reasons for those claims) of Christianity, Mormonism, and Islamic belief in any detail. However, when compared in detail, I find the Christian faith to have much more credibility. That is not a blind leap of faith -- believing without any credible reason to do so -- nor it is a claim to have proven Christianity as true to the point that faith is no longer necessary. The bottom line, Christianity is a religion of faith but one in which I believe there is credible reasons for believing such claims. Other religions hold reasons for believing the claims of their faith. Since I am not a relativist (2 or more truth claims can coexist and both be true), I must make a choice as to which thruth claim I believe has the most credibility. My choice is Jesus Christ. Thanks for the conversation! Peace, Rex Jeff,

This is not the place to lay out the truth claims (and reasons for those claims) of Christianity, Mormonism, and Islamic belief in any detail. However, when compared in detail, I find the Christian faith to have much more credibility. That is not a blind leap of faith — believing without any credible reason to do so — nor it is a claim to have proven Christianity as true to the point that faith is no longer necessary.

The bottom line, Christianity is a religion of faith but one in which I believe there is credible reasons for believing such claims. Other religions hold reasons for believing the claims of their faith. Since I am not a relativist (2 or more truth claims can coexist and both be true), I must make a choice as to which thruth claim I believe has the most credibility. My choice is Jesus Christ.

Thanks for the conversation!

Peace,

Rex

]]> By: Jeff http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71144 Jeff Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:58:21 +0000 http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71144 To Rex: My point is that your argument for Christianity from experience and tradition is exactly the same argument that Muslims use to 'prove' Mohammed and the Koran, and is exactly the same argument that Mormons use to 'prove' Mormonism and the Book of Mormon. We are all 'blind leapers' who use experience and tradition to try to prove our unproveable faiths to one another. To Rex: My point is that your argument for Christianity from experience and tradition is exactly the same argument that Muslims use to ‘prove’ Mohammed and the Koran, and is exactly the same argument that Mormons use to ‘prove’ Mormonism and the Book of Mormon.

We are all ‘blind leapers’ who use experience and tradition to try to prove our unproveable faiths to one another.

]]> By: Rex http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71141 Rex Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:45:23 +0000 http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71141 Whoever said that being a Christian was taking a blind leap of faith? I believe there is a credible and coherent case for gospel of Jesus Christ being true and therefore the truth. That case begins not simply by asking people to 'blindly' believe that Jesus died and rose again. It asks people to believe the testimony of those who saw him die on the cross, buried in the tomb, and raised from the dead bearing the wounds from his crucifixion. Those who witnessed this began proclaiming about this 'good news,' some of whom even died for what they witnessed. Their testimony became known as the tradition and it was passed on to others so that other might believe. That tradition also included the teachings about why Jesus died and rose again and how believers should live in response to that good news event. Eventually, the body of believers collected the writtings of that tradition that could be verified as being true and collected them into a closed canon of writting that we call the New Testament. And now for 2 millenia, that tradition has continued to be passed along. In no way does that prove the Christian faith in the contemporary scientific sense of the word 'prove' is ued. Therefore, for those who believe the gospel of Jesus, they must still make a descision of faith. But that decision of faith does not need to be a blind decision nor does it need to be subjectively grounded soley in our personal experiences (and this is not to say that there is not a place for our personal religious experiences). Grace and peace, Rex Whoever said that being a Christian was taking a blind leap of faith? I believe there is a credible and coherent case for gospel of Jesus Christ being true and therefore the truth. That case begins not simply by asking people to ‘blindly’ believe that Jesus died and rose again. It asks people to believe the testimony of those who saw him die on the cross, buried in the tomb, and raised from the dead bearing the wounds from his crucifixion. Those who witnessed this began proclaiming about this ‘good news,’ some of whom even died for what they witnessed. Their testimony became known as the tradition and it was passed on to others so that other might believe. That tradition also included the teachings about why Jesus died and rose again and how believers should live in response to that good news event. Eventually, the body of believers collected the writtings of that tradition that could be verified as being true and collected them into a closed canon of writting that we call the New Testament. And now for 2 millenia, that tradition has continued to be passed along.

In no way does that prove the Christian faith in the contemporary scientific sense of the word ‘prove’ is ued. Therefore, for those who believe the gospel of Jesus, they must still make a descision of faith. But that decision of faith does not need to be a blind decision nor does it need to be subjectively grounded soley in our personal experiences (and this is not to say that there is not a place for our personal religious experiences).

Grace and peace,

Rex

]]> By: clint http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71137 clint Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:29:45 +0000 http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71137 “somewhere along the way these same people have lost the natural humility which should come from believing in something ultimately unproveable…” I agree and in light of your statements above you would have to say you are just like us. “somewhere along the way these same people have lost the natural humility which should come from believing in something ultimately unproveable…”

I agree and in light of your statements above you would have to say you are just like us.

]]> By: Jeff http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71133 Jeff Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:33:29 +0000 http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71133 To Kyle: No, I am not a Bahai, though I admire its inclusivity... I have found after many years that I am simply a theist, a person who believes in a personal God. Perhaps I have been a bit harsh in my comments, as I find much about 'revealed religions' (religions that depend on a 'revelation', such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Mormonism)to be very comforting and helpful. However, somewhere along the way these same people have lost the natural humility which should come from believing in something ultimately unproveable... I wish you well. I found this place by using GOOGLE... To Kyle: No, I am not a Bahai, though I admire its inclusivity… I have found after many years that I am simply a theist, a person who believes in a personal God.

Perhaps I have been a bit harsh in my comments, as I find much about ‘revealed religions’ (religions that depend on a ‘revelation’, such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Mormonism)to be very comforting and helpful. However, somewhere along the way these same people have lost the natural humility which should come from believing in something ultimately unproveable…

I wish you well.

I found this place by using GOOGLE…

]]> By: Kyle http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71132 Kyle Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:47:07 +0000 http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71132 Jeff are you a Baha'i? I just mentioned this the other day in some comments about drawing lines. Just wondering how you found this place. Jeff are you a Baha’i? I just mentioned this the other day in some comments about drawing lines. Just wondering how you found this place.

]]> By: troy http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71131 troy Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:56:32 +0000 http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71131 To Jeff: I appreciate your honesty. It's refreshing to read a comment that is not composed of new age platitudes and nonsense. As far as taking a blind leap of faith is concerned, I suppose there is very little difference between the Christian, Muslim, and Jew. As a Christian, I can only speak for my experience. My faith has helped me everyday in ways that are both seen and unseen. I suppose that Muslims and Jews may be able to say the same thing. My faith also tells me that there is a life after this earthly one. Jews and Muslims believe the same. My faith also tells me that we cannot "detroy all of God's creation." That task is reserved for God alone. I have no way of proving that without a shadow of a doubt. I can, however, prove that you and me and everyone else will die. Excluding the possibility that the Lord returns before that happens. The difference in what we believe boils down to the fact that Jews hang their hopes on a law and works, Muslims hang their hopes on a prophet and works, and Christians hang their hopes on a Savior and grace. The truth is that we are in three very different boats. Pardon me, my Savior is walking to my boat now. God Bless. To Jeff: I appreciate your honesty. It’s refreshing to read a comment that is not composed of new age platitudes and nonsense.

As far as taking a blind leap of faith is concerned, I suppose there is very little difference between the Christian, Muslim, and Jew. As a Christian, I can only speak for my experience. My faith has helped me everyday in ways that are both seen and unseen. I suppose that Muslims and Jews may be able to say the same thing. My faith also tells me that there is a life after this earthly one. Jews and Muslims believe the same. My faith also tells me that we cannot “detroy all of God’s creation.” That task is reserved for God alone. I have no way of proving that without a shadow of a doubt. I can, however, prove that you and me and everyone else will die. Excluding the possibility that the Lord returns before that happens. The difference in what we believe boils down to the fact that Jews hang their hopes on a law and works, Muslims hang their hopes on a prophet and works, and Christians hang their hopes on a Savior and grace. The truth is that we are in three very different boats. Pardon me, my Savior is walking to my boat now.

God Bless.

]]> By: Jeff http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71130 Jeff Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:36:31 +0000 http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71130 To gt: I'm not really looking for a fight, though it may appear that way. Instead, I'm actually looking to see if anyone here is ready for "the third wave" (to use a phrase from 'the day'): Has anyone here realized that there is no difference at all between the Christian who makes a blind leap to his faith, the Muslim who makes a blind leap to his faith, and the Jew who makes a blind leap to his faith ??? We all jump to God from ignorance and lack of proof, yet we persist in thinking that, somehow, our blind leap is better than the Muslims' blind leap, and that our blind leap will therefore save us, while the Muslims' blind leap will not save him. Interesting, he thinks his blind leap will save him while ours will not save us !!! It's time to admit that we're all (Christian, Muslim, Jew) in the same boat, and that we are brothers. It's time because the airplanes that are being used as weapons of blindness as we speak will soon turn into atomic weapons. It's time to admit our lack of proof before we blindly destroy all of God's creation. God is great. To gt: I’m not really looking for a fight, though it may appear that way.

Instead, I’m actually looking to see if anyone here is ready for “the third wave” (to use a phrase from ‘the day’): Has anyone here realized that there is no difference at all between the Christian who makes a blind leap to his faith, the Muslim who makes a blind leap to his faith, and the Jew who makes a blind leap to his faith ???

We all jump to God from ignorance and lack of proof, yet we persist in thinking that, somehow, our blind leap is better than the Muslims’ blind leap, and that our blind leap will therefore save us, while the Muslims’ blind leap will not save him. Interesting, he thinks his blind leap will save him while ours will not save us !!!

It’s time to admit that we’re all (Christian, Muslim, Jew) in the same boat, and that we are brothers. It’s time because the airplanes that are being used as weapons of blindness as we speak will soon turn into atomic weapons. It’s time to admit our lack of proof before we blindly destroy all of God’s creation.

God is great.

]]> By: Jeff http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71129 Jeff Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:40:42 +0000 http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71129 To clint: So, rather than attempt to answer my questions, you call me names, then you excommunicate me. You're judge, jury, and executioner, Clint... and all based on your unproven (and unproveable) religion. You have done exactly the same thing that a Muslim does when someone challenges the Koran. No proof; just condemnation. God is great. To clint: So, rather than attempt to answer my questions, you call me names, then you excommunicate me. You’re judge, jury, and executioner, Clint… and all based on your unproven (and unproveable) religion.

You have done exactly the same thing that a Muslim does when someone challenges the Koran. No proof; just condemnation.

God is great.

]]> By: clint http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71128 clint Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:24:50 +0000 http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71128 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned. Titus 3:9-11 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned. Titus 3:9-11

]]> By: Jeff http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71127 Jeff Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:12:28 +0000 http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71127 To clint: Rather than calling me names, you should try to answer my questions. God is great. To clint: Rather than calling me names, you should try to answer my questions.

God is great.

]]> By: gt http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71126 gt Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:10:47 +0000 http://preachermike.com/2008/02/14/be-still-and-know#comment-71126 I believe Clint is right. Just someone looking for a fight. Not interested. I believe Clint is right. Just someone looking for a fight. Not interested.

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