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	<title>Comments on: Back from Leuders, TX</title>
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	<description>Sniffing out the work of God in the world...</description>
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		<title>By: Stacie</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2008/02/11/back-from-leuders-tx#comment-71275</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point of my post was that God demands us to worship Him in spirit and in truth.  The truth is found in the New Testament.  There is no need for other man-made rituals.  One can be a Christian but is than led away by false teachings and false worship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of my post was that God demands us to worship Him in spirit and in truth.  The truth is found in the New Testament.  There is no need for other man-made rituals.  One can be a Christian but is than led away by false teachings and false worship.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2008/02/11/back-from-leuders-tx#comment-71256</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note:  When there is a comment from the Mike who writes this blog, there is a link on the name!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note:  When there is a comment from the Mike who writes this blog, there is a link on the name!</p>
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		<title>By: stacie</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2008/02/11/back-from-leuders-tx#comment-71218</link>
		<dc:creator>stacie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heb 13:9
9Do not be carried away by varied and strange teachings; for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, through which those who were so occupied were not benefited.

Eph 4:14; 5:6; 
14As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; 
15but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, 

1 Tim 4:1-5
1 But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,  2 through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;  3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by them that believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 for it is sanctified through the word of God and prayer. 
Hebrews 5-7 – reference to Christ as our high priest and no need for another.

Matthew 15:9 – 
You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 
    8" 'These people honor me with their lips, 
      but their hearts are far from me. 
    9They worship me in vain; 
      their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"

Our worship to God is vain if it is based on human doctrines.

Galatians 1:8,9 – 
   6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

Acts 20:7  - communion on Sunday only
“On the first day of the week we came together to break bread.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heb 13:9<br />
9Do not be carried away by varied and strange teachings; for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, through which those who were so occupied were not benefited.</p>
<p>Eph 4:14; 5:6;<br />
14As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming;<br />
15but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, </p>
<p>1 Tim 4:1-5<br />
1 But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,  2 through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;  3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by them that believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 for it is sanctified through the word of God and prayer.<br />
Hebrews 5-7 – reference to Christ as our high priest and no need for another.</p>
<p>Matthew 15:9 –<br />
You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:<br />
    8&#8243; &#8216;These people honor me with their lips,<br />
      but their hearts are far from me.<br />
    9They worship me in vain;<br />
      their teachings are but rules taught by men.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Our worship to God is vain if it is based on human doctrines.</p>
<p>Galatians 1:8,9 –<br />
   6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!</p>
<p>Acts 20:7  - communion on Sunday only<br />
“On the first day of the week we came together to break bread.”</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2008/02/11/back-from-leuders-tx#comment-71150</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's cool, Pastor Cope!  I didn't realize Walk to Emmaeus was such an interdenominational thing.  I went through Chrysalis (the teen version) in the UMC community a few years ago, and have worked a couple and spoken at one since.

Maybe one can't expect to learn much as far as really deep theology goes - especially if you've been to seminary and all :) - but there's something really neat about the atmosphere that develops on the retreat.

De colores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s cool, Pastor Cope!  I didn&#8217;t realize Walk to Emmaeus was such an interdenominational thing.  I went through Chrysalis (the teen version) in the UMC community a few years ago, and have worked a couple and spoken at one since.</p>
<p>Maybe one can&#8217;t expect to learn much as far as really deep theology goes - especially if you&#8217;ve been to seminary and all <img src='http://preachermike.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> - but there&#8217;s something really neat about the atmosphere that develops on the retreat.</p>
<p>De colores.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2008/02/11/back-from-leuders-tx#comment-71140</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda - Possibly: Anonymous letter syndrome</description>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2008/02/11/back-from-leuders-tx#comment-71139</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Random:  Why do many people with really long complaints leave off thier website addresses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random:  Why do many people with really long complaints leave off thier website addresses?</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2008/02/11/back-from-leuders-tx#comment-71115</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Decolores!

Walk to Emmaus, Leuders...sounds dreamy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decolores!</p>
<p>Walk to Emmaus, Leuders&#8230;sounds dreamy</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2008/02/11/back-from-leuders-tx#comment-71111</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed that the quota of downloads of Les Bonnett's sermon from the link posted by Joel Maners has been exceeded. Here is a new link:

http://download.yousendit.com/5A5F9FCB42444256</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed that the quota of downloads of Les Bonnett&#8217;s sermon from the link posted by Joel Maners has been exceeded. Here is a new link:</p>
<p><a href="http://download.yousendit.com/5A5F9FCB42444256" rel="nofollow">http://download.yousendit.com/5A5F9FCB42444256</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2008/02/11/back-from-leuders-tx#comment-71109</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mere "Doctrinal Error" is never a reason for refusing fellowship... Otherwise, I'm quite certain, God would have stopped fellowshipping all of us wretches long ago. As far as I can see, He is still knocking and pursuing and being found by those who "seek" (not only by those who "seek correctly"). 

Thanks Mike (the commentor, not Cope) for depressing me with your dogma (it is indeed hard to teach an old dogma new tricks!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mere &#8220;Doctrinal Error&#8221; is never a reason for refusing fellowship&#8230; Otherwise, I&#8217;m quite certain, God would have stopped fellowshipping all of us wretches long ago. As far as I can see, He is still knocking and pursuing and being found by those who &#8220;seek&#8221; (not only by those who &#8220;seek correctly&#8221;). </p>
<p>Thanks Mike (the commentor, not Cope) for depressing me with your dogma (it is indeed hard to teach an old dogma new tricks!).</p>
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		<title>By: matt elliott</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2008/02/11/back-from-leuders-tx#comment-71106</link>
		<dc:creator>matt elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Oates?  Did he become a theologian after breaking up with Darryl Hall?  First I heard of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Oates?  Did he become a theologian after breaking up with Darryl Hall?  First I heard of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2008/02/11/back-from-leuders-tx#comment-71100</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eileen,
Yes, but nor am I old. But I am older than &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; by about 17 years. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eileen,<br />
Yes, but nor am I old. But I am older than <i>that</i> by about 17 years. <img src='http://preachermike.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2008/02/11/back-from-leuders-tx#comment-71099</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eddy,
Surely you are aware that "proof texting" is something that every Bible writer used, right? When the Lord answered the devil He did so by saying "It is written" and then quoting the verse. Even when Satan used a verse Jesus demonstrated by another verse that his use was in error.

Who said anything about being saved by such an approach? And does that imply that one cannot go to the Bible to learn from a verse anything at all about salvation? Is that idea something prooftexted from the Bible?

Regarding Luke 8:11, the exact verse says "now the parable is this, the seed is the word of God." But Matthew 13:19 says, "When any one heareth the word of the kingdom,..." and that is the parallel account of the parable of the sower. So the "seed" IS the Word of the kingdom. I did not add to anything that God said, I merely said what God had already said. Were you not aware of Matthews account? The word "kingdom" is the "church" and thus the seed (word) applies to both the same.

Concerning Romans 10:17, the difference in the Greek on the word "word" doesn't change the principle taught therein one iota. "Faith comes" how? By hearing. Hearing what? The preaching of the Gospel. In that particular context Paul has in mind the OT prophets: but his modern day application is the same: listen to the preaching of the Gospel and be saved. His target audience in chapters 9-11 are the Jews, whom he says (those who had not obeyed the Gospel) are lost (10:1-4). They should have listened to the writings of the prophets and thus would have known to come to Christ, to i.e. live by faith.

What is a "legalistic use of words" anyway? Was Jesus guilty of that when He kept every jot and tittle of the Old Testament Law while He was on earth? Was He guilty of that when He insisted while on earth that others do the same?  

Sorry, I don't believe your comments were justified in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eddy,<br />
Surely you are aware that &#8220;proof texting&#8221; is something that every Bible writer used, right? When the Lord answered the devil He did so by saying &#8220;It is written&#8221; and then quoting the verse. Even when Satan used a verse Jesus demonstrated by another verse that his use was in error.</p>
<p>Who said anything about being saved by such an approach? And does that imply that one cannot go to the Bible to learn from a verse anything at all about salvation? Is that idea something prooftexted from the Bible?</p>
<p>Regarding Luke 8:11, the exact verse says &#8220;now the parable is this, the seed is the word of God.&#8221; But Matthew 13:19 says, &#8220;When any one heareth the word of the kingdom,&#8230;&#8221; and that is the parallel account of the parable of the sower. So the &#8220;seed&#8221; IS the Word of the kingdom. I did not add to anything that God said, I merely said what God had already said. Were you not aware of Matthews account? The word &#8220;kingdom&#8221; is the &#8220;church&#8221; and thus the seed (word) applies to both the same.</p>
<p>Concerning Romans 10:17, the difference in the Greek on the word &#8220;word&#8221; doesn&#8217;t change the principle taught therein one iota. &#8220;Faith comes&#8221; how? By hearing. Hearing what? The preaching of the Gospel. In that particular context Paul has in mind the OT prophets: but his modern day application is the same: listen to the preaching of the Gospel and be saved. His target audience in chapters 9-11 are the Jews, whom he says (those who had not obeyed the Gospel) are lost (10:1-4). They should have listened to the writings of the prophets and thus would have known to come to Christ, to i.e. live by faith.</p>
<p>What is a &#8220;legalistic use of words&#8221; anyway? Was Jesus guilty of that when He kept every jot and tittle of the Old Testament Law while He was on earth? Was He guilty of that when He insisted while on earth that others do the same?  </p>
<p>Sorry, I don&#8217;t believe your comments were justified in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: eddy</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2008/02/11/back-from-leuders-tx#comment-71098</link>
		<dc:creator>eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike (Not Cope),
Be careful about prooftexting.  If you want to be saved by such an approach, you're already lost.  According to you, Luke 8:11 says the word is the seed of the kingdom.  Reread the verse (and chapter for that matter)--the word kingdom is not used.  You better hope grace covers you putting words in God's mouth!  You also referenced Romans 10:17--I'm sure you are aware that the word translated "word" is not the same word in Luke 8:11.  Salvation by legalistic use of words leaves no wiggle-room.  Those who live by such die by such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike (Not Cope),<br />
Be careful about prooftexting.  If you want to be saved by such an approach, you&#8217;re already lost.  According to you, Luke 8:11 says the word is the seed of the kingdom.  Reread the verse (and chapter for that matter)&#8211;the word kingdom is not used.  You better hope grace covers you putting words in God&#8217;s mouth!  You also referenced Romans 10:17&#8211;I&#8217;m sure you are aware that the word translated &#8220;word&#8221; is not the same word in Luke 8:11.  Salvation by legalistic use of words leaves no wiggle-room.  Those who live by such die by such.</p>
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		<title>By: eileen</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2008/02/11/back-from-leuders-tx#comment-71097</link>
		<dc:creator>eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was speaking of high school and college age, but are you young at heart?</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2008/02/11/back-from-leuders-tx#comment-71096</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eileen,
"I am curious. What ages do you include in your “young people” comment?"

?? I just want to know if I am still young, or unofficially old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eileen,<br />
&#8220;I am curious. What ages do you include in your “young people” comment?&#8221;</p>
<p>?? I just want to know if I am still young, or unofficially old.</p>
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