This morning wasn’t your average Weekend Today Show. Even Lester and Campbell were blushing. Lester said that language that frank wasn’t often spoken on their show.
So who was this guest?
Our buddy Joe Beam. Talking about oral sex, multiple orgasms, fantasies, alcohol consumption, masturbation, etc.
Here’s what I loved: Joe came across as a kind man who is on a mission and who is full of grace. When asked which “couples” are his target audience, he just said married couples — husbands and wives. When asked if there are any limits, he named them kindly and succinctly: (1) only with your spouse, (2) no animals, and (3) nothing that hurts either person. (I’m naive enough to wonder if he couldn’t have boiled it down to rules 1 and 3, assuming number 2. But he talks to more people about sex than I do. . . .) When asked about alcohol, he said that drinking in moderation is fine, but drunkenness is wrong. He spoke with a gleam in his eyes about couples needing to remove some of the inhibitions (or quit feeling bad about things they’re already doing) and to have fun.
On national television. A Church of Christ preacher.
The world is changing.
Here is a link to Joe’s “Family Dynamics” website.
God bless Joe Beam.
My wife and I attended his loved, sex and Marriage seminar at NCYM a few years ago in Colorado Springs. Joe is just an up front, honest, tell it like it is, godly man. I am so glad that was on the today show. Now maybe people we see that the Church of Christ isn’t all fuddy duddy.
He did a great job, stayed on course, delt honestly and frankly with the subject. I don’t think they could have had anyone better on to deal with the subject the way he did. Way to go Joe! Fantastic job!
It’s ALMOST enough to make me consider marriage!
Even a single girl can have a margarita, right?
A church of Christ preacher who preaches, from the pulpit, that anal sex is acceptable, that we should all purchase a bunch of sex toys, gives instructions about oral sex using his hands to demonstrate, and offers tips to men about how to make their semen taste better (according to the article from the interview…)??? What I’ve just said is patently offensive, but those are not my words, they are Joe Beam’s. And people think this is something to be applauded?
The world is changing, alright…
Once again, the church is consumed with its own fleshly desires, talking endlessly about our own bodies and needs, completely oblivious to the fact that Jesus is coming soon, and that his chief concern isn’t whether our sex lives are great or not.
I don’t care if anybody thinks the church of Christ is fuddy duddy or not. The Bible doesn’t say to be relevant, or “cool”, but it says to honor God. If honoring God makes me a square and an object of derision, so be it.
Kerry - I’ve never been to one of the seminars. I don’t know what article you’re referring to. But Joe was wonderful on The Today Show.
When you say he preaches on these things “from the pulpit,” that makes me think of the full Christian assembly. It’s hard for me to imagine that these are topics he discusses in that setting. Do you mean that he’s discussing these at one of his seminars and that he happens to be standing behind a lecturn? I would imagine that people going to a “love, sex, and marriage” seminar would expect a frank discussion of sexuality (among other things).
MKike.
This is the article
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13834042/
It is telling when even the secular, worldly media blushes and labels this man’s “ministry” along with things like, and I’m quoting from the headline: “fetish fiesta”, “Online exhibitionists”, “the morning after”, and “toy story”. Read the entire article and tell me this is Godly (or even decent) talk, even among married people…
The parameter is always “the context of marriage.” We have so much freedom in marriage. Joe does not go beyond what is Biblical! Christians should delight in the freedom God gives us in marriage. Some societies believed that sexual relations were for procreation only.
Compared to what the world believes, Joe is being extremely conservative. If you have worked around some secular singles in the past ten years, you probably are aware of how casual sex has really become. Forget kissing on the first date being a big deal.
In one of the junior high schools not far from where I live, the students were caught having rainbow parties. Not a few kids, hundreds of 13-15 year olds. Forget making out, they go right to the main event.
Isn’t it great that a Church of Christ preacher does not come across like a 1950’s puritanical pompous prude!
“The Bible doesn’t say to be relevant, or “cool”, but it says to honor God.”
Right. Because Jesus didn’t become a man (relevant), wasn’t considered to be a rabbi (respected), and didn’t speak in picutres and stories that the culture he stepped into would undertand (relevant again).
The Bible also does talk about bashing other people in their own ministries, but apparently, as a matter of fact Ephesians 4 claims that each may have their own special calling. How about we just let people do what God calls them to do, and quit using such divisive language in the name of personal preference and worldveiw(which I think the Bible has a few things to say about).
And, if someone has an issue with Mr. Beam, isn’t it the biblical and right thing to address him, and not anonymously bash what he does on a site he may never see? I am sure he would appreciate any comments and would be willing to address any concerns. If I can get a hold of him, I am sure anybody could.
Call me a fuddy duddy, but it just seems to me that these types of conversations are needed, but we should also use discretion in where and when to have the discussion. On “The Today Show” doesn’t seem to be the appropriate place to have an verbally descriptive talk on sex. Neither does the pulpit unless the audience is all married adults. As with anything, a good thing can be taken too far.
Drinking isn’t wrong when done in moderation. Talking about sex isn’t wrong when done with discretion.
I’ve enjoyed Joe Beam over the years, but I think this is going too far.
Odd, people got so steamed about the torture issue and what is appropriate, but the same folks think that talking about graphic sex in forum where a child can hear it isn’t bad. Hmmm…..
You takin notes for your Lectureship class?
Not married, antihistamines preclude drinking - no comment.
As I was mowing the yard, I started thinking about why my wife and I have had such an incredible sex life. Our sexual activities are in the context of a loving marital relationship. We put a lock on our bedroom door. After we had three children, I went under the knife (which wasn’t my idea). We never do anything the other person doesn’t want. Because we meet each others needs, we both hit a home run 99.999% of the time.
Now I have got to go finish edging.
I think it was great that Joe was on the today show. Wonderful. He did a fantastic job.
Making the media blush in the fact that he was talking about husband/wife instead of lover/partner. Real love. Real intemacy.
If you have gone to Joe’s seminars anal sex would fall under the number three catagory. Nothing that hurts eiether person. Anal sex hurts in the fact that it damages the rectum later in life in keeping what needs to stay in, in. So anal would fall under number 3.
Where is the right time in a society where most Christian married couples think that sex is something they have for fit into the schedule and look at it as gross. In church? Forget about it. Church is to nicey nicey for that kind of talk. Forget talking about what really matters in marriages. Let the preacher give a three point sermon on how to have the great marriage without sex. We don’t want to talk about sex at church. Class? Class time is for the Bible? It is not the time to be relevant. Classes and church and preaching shouldn’t be how to live it is to be about Bible knowlege, right? Seminars. Yeah, leave that stuff to be taught at seminars. Seminars for those who have problems. Not me. Not Christians I know. So many couples and marriages are unhappy and Christian divorce is up. Why? Neglect of sexual intemacy. Finances come in second place. So why not be up front and honest about how women aren’t meeting their husbands sexual needs and husband aren’t being the loves they should?
How many of you have read any of Joe’s books or attended one of his seminars? I highly recommend them. Some of you might really benefit from this wonderful ministry.
Family Dynamics Ministries and Joe Beam have done a wonderful job in making a difference in marriages and families all over the country. I pray that God will continue to use Joe Beam and Family Dynamics in helping marriages and family be strong and enriching.
Listen to the Bible, Song of Songs 7:8-ff “I said, “I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.” May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine. May the wine go straight to my lover, flowing gently over lips and teeth. I belong to my lover and his desire is for me. Come, my lover, let us go to the countryside, let us spend the night in the villages. Let us go early to the vineyards to see if the vines have budded, if their blossoms have opened, and if the pomegrantes are in bloom- there I will give you my love. The mandrakes send out their fragrance, and at our door is every delicacy, both new and old , that I have stored up for you, my lover.”
Go home and read the song of songs with your spouse tonight and see what happens.
If nothing happens sign up for one of Joe’s seminars. It is well worth the money.
Great discussion. I applaud Joe for his frankness and his ministry. The world needs more preachers like Joe (and Mike) who will say what needs to be said and not worry so much about offending or causing people to blush. Speaking with openness and honesty about tough subjects is exaclty what Jesus did while He walked this earth…isn’t it?
Kerry -
Would you consider the following quotations to be inappropriate or ungodly?
“My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my breasts.”
“Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies.”
“Your stature is like that of the palm, and your breasts like clusters of fruit. I said, ‘I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.’ May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine.”
If so, you’d better edit your Bible, because I got them all from Song of Solomon. Keep in mind that these quotations would have been much less subtle to an audience fluent in the Hebrew words and idioms it was originally written in. In fact, they were so blatant that scholars spent centuries trying to find symbolic meanings that would reduce the tremendous sexual content of the book.
The fact is, there is nothing unscriptural about having frank talk about sex. On the contrary, it is often necessary to address the matter in no uncertain terms in order to clear up misconceptions and concerns among the believers. Of course I’d advocate discretion in the selection of when and where to have said talk, but I doubt many children stumbled onto this show.
I am so excited about this! I had a friend who I have been witnessing to with little sucess ask me about this since she knows I am CoC and saw that he is too. I was thrilled to see a positive example on a grand scale help me in my personal ministry! Praise God for that! It really opened up another opportunity to share God’ goodness with her.
Dwiggy,
Amen. I am thankful for men like Mike and Joe who are not ashamed to share what Christian life was meant to be and can be.
To think that some day Mike Cope might be on the Today show or any other major network sharing his thoughts is a wonderful thought. Joe today broke down that barrier and opened the door for other church of Christ ministers to do the same on national television.
Gotta throw in my two cents here. One of the first things that students of Biblical Hebrew notice is that a good number of the stories have sexual overtones, undertones . . . whatever they are, they’re unmistakable. (the Jacob’s Ladder story, for example; that was one heck of a dream). And then, of course, is the aforementioned Song of Songs, which contains a lot of references that, because of language barriers, unfamiliar metaphors, etc., we don’t often recognize as being so graphic as they are. Keeping thick veils over sex runs counter to, not with, the biblical tradition. It also isolates believers from the world, a place where sex apparently matters a lot. I’m thankful for Joe’s important ministry of the Word.
Joe Beam is an amazing man of God. His series on faith is the best I have ever heard on the subject. I commend his boldness in a time when this country (especially) is so in need of straight talk on the issue of sex. Many are talking about and practicing the issues he addresses with no clue to what is right or not, healthy or un-. Many Christian couples are uptight about what happens in the bedroom, what is “appropriate” or not. Someone has to address the matter, and Joe does it as well as anyone I know.
I listened to that interview today and I didn’t hear what one of the bloggers said here. I thought it was a GREAT interview. With divorce so prevalent, even in the church, I would hope dear christians with a shaky marriage sign up today with Family Dynamics.
Can we send a video & transcript of that to Nancy Grace?
I found that article through TheMarriageBed.com - which provides one of those ‘discretionary places’ we’re talking about in which married couples can appropriately have explicit sexual discussions. TMB is explicitly for married Christians, and the largest segment of the 10,000+ members fall into the “conservative” theological category. Joe Beam appears to be more theologically conservative than TMB judging from how the writer of the article portrayed him - but she may not be accurate (she did misrepresent Joe on the part about no sex during the wife’s period).
Joe Beam is part of something that is long overdue - but he isn’t the first. Not even the first in CoC’s. Dr. Eddie Parish has been teaching a literally life-altering personal issues of sexuality short-course at ACU for years. When we took it it was called, “Bringing Sexuality, Sensuality, and Eroticism into the Light.” 8 years at ACU and that course impacted me more than any other, no question.
If you’ve got a week in Abilene during May of January, I’d recommend it more than most anything else I’d ever want to recommend. Auditing his course is the best $35 I ever spent.
Eddie’s spiritual retreat hermitage, where couples/families receive marriage, family, and or sexual counseling/therapy from a Christian spiritual perspective, can be found here: The Parish Hermitage.
I didn’t realize everyone was so ill informed on sex. I was reading medical books on the subject in junior high.
If nothing else, can’t we at least rejoice that there is a Christ following man who is telling a national TV audience that good, great, fulfilling, and wonderful sex needs to be between two married people who are committed to one another?
Maybe you don’t agree with all that he says, and that’s ok because I don’t think he’s trying to make what he thinks is “allowed” be what every single couple does.
But the fact of the matter is that there are a lot of young Christian men and women who get married are scared of sex because it’s been a bad word their whole life. And this a knock to our Creator.
I said it before here…I agree with most of what Joe says but it just seems really awkward to here it from Joe. Just like it was so embarrasing when your folks sat you down and told you about it. Just sorta creepy.
Kerry, God NEVER intending for our lives to be miserable here on earth. Nor did he intend for us to just “eat, drink and be merry for tomorow we die.”
I don’t know how many here might know this, but Lester Holt attends the Manhattan CofC, and has led Communion there. So perhaps our caricatures of the “secular media” need a bit of adjustment.
Anyhow what I really wanted to share was a bit of evidence that not all church communities are so uptight about sex…when my 6-week postpartum appointment rolled around, I was so happy about it that I blogged about going straight from the doc’s office to buy condoms. One of the commenters on that post happened to be the member of our church that sends out our weekly newsletter and tongue-in-cheek, I dared her to put my good news in the bulletin. She did. So my church “rejoiced with Jen and Brent on the return of their sex life.”
Anybody who happens to be in the area and is interested in checking out this amazing church community, welcome! (You can link to “Brooklyn and Beyond” from my blog.)
Mike, do you have brown eyes by any chance? You call yourself church of christ, I know…but you are so full of DUNG your eyes must be brown. Everything you say and do on your blog and winskins mess is utter garbage and is responsible for the damnation of countless souls to hell. I do know God will give you the final tally one day soon however.
A Stounded — good one. “Astounded.” I get it.
By the way, the entire Today show segment with Joe can be viewed online at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13834042/. Watch it and you will be A Mazed.
Looking forward to seeing your brown eyes at Zoe in a couple-o-weeks, Mike.
oKay then.
A Stounded -
A fool looks for dung where the cow never browsed.
- Proverb from Ethiopia
Hmmm. My eyes actually ARE brown. A Shamed.
“…oral sex, multiple orgasms, fantasies, alcohol consumption, masturbation, etc.”
All at the same time? Wow. Go, Joe!
And Mike, I want to personally thank you for sending me to hell. I like warmer climates, anyway.
Wow….
Strong words here…
I’m not going to go into battle here with anyone with wits or sarcasm, but how about the Word?
For Astounded, Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it[not you, me or anyone else] penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it[not you, me or anyone else] judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
hmmm?
As for Joe Beam, I’d say his Dynamic Marriage program saved my marriage, and countless others at our church….that’s a HUGE ministry, b/c Satan wants our marriages to fail so we are not at all different from the world.
dogs don’t chase parked cars.
Dogs who chase just for the sake of chasing do
My eyes are blue. I wonder what that means I’m full of?
It’s been interesting to read about Joe Beam’s Marriage ministry. I had not heard about it — but it sounds like he’s doing a good thing.
Kerry
“and I’m quoting from the headline: “fetish fiesta”, “Online exhibitionists”, “the morning after”, and “toy story”. Read the entire article and tell me this is Godly (or even decent) talk, even among married…”
I read the entire article–guess what? The above terms are headlines for upcoming articles which are unrelated to Joe Beam. Watch your assumptions and misreadings, please.
Did anyone see the Tarzan segment? Merle Dandridge, a former member of the Manhattan Church of Christ was featured as Kala singing “You’ll be in my Heart.” So we actually had 3 members of our tribe on that particular show.
And here I thought Churches of Christ were always anti-organs!
Thanks, Little Light! Yes, it was fun to have so many church folk involved. And I met Joe in the greenroom as he had with him some people I used to go to church with. Terrific guy. A very fun morning. Also sparked some interesting conversation.
Dang! I caught the Tarzan segment and missed the frank, open, honest, and unabashed interview about…um…(you know what).
P.S. The Tarzan segment was great. Glad to know it also featured “one of us.”
I think those who are judging Joe’s ministry on media articles need to remind themselves that SEX SELLS! The media is going to harp on the most titillating bits of his talks — and exaggerate them, making him sound as salacious as possible. In the seminar we went to, he was NOT preaching from a pulpit first and foremost, let’s make that clear. While he discusses sex toys, he discouraged those sex toy home parties (they encourage women to think that all they need their husbands for is his paycheck) and actually discouraged the use of some toys, although if it follows the 3 rules, he was ok with it. He did describe a vibrator, but qualified its use with the fact that if you use it you will be disappointed with ‘real life’ equipment. (was that too graphic for your site, Mike?) Anyway, as I commented on the following post, I felt his presentation was more flash than substance, but I would say nothing he taught was unBiblical. He backed everything he taught up with scripture. Sure, the Bible doesn’t say “Thou shalt do it this way”, but he used scripture to point out some that some of the things we think are taboo aren’t necessarily so — and that some things we think are taboo are definitely so, citing scripture why.
Mike, thanks for sharing this tidbit about the show on your site. I’m not an early-morning, Today-show-watching kind of girl, so I might have missed out on something spectacular.
As a single Christian, it’s so refreshing to have teachers like Joe speaking truth in bold ways to whoever in our society will listen. My cultural peer group is seemingly consumed with sex and all the questions/talk that come with that topic. Joe’s willingness to go so public with such a relevant teaching opens so many doors for discussions that people didn’t think they could have with “church-going folk,” and I’m so grateful for those kinds of open doors. Our communities need to know that Christians are real people with similar struggles. . .we just have different resources for seeking help and coping tools for those struggles (resources that we want to share). Joe’s frankness, and your further spreading of that teaching, speaks that loud and clear.
Thanks!
Joe came and spoke at our congregation last year, and my wife was doing the sign language interpretation for the deaf. THAT was funny!
Frank discussion regarding marital sex is needed in some form in the church. Having participated in a class based on the book “Every Man’s Battle,” I was so surprised at the married men in my church who were living lives devoid of sexual fulfillment in the most basic sense from their wives.
I watched a fifty-something man (a great encourager whom I admire) hold back tears while mentioning many years of marriage without sex, fellow deacons alluding to their own lack of sex in their marriages, and my own closel friend battling several years without a physical relationship with his wife. I wish I’d had a discussion like this with fellow brothers while I struggled through the first 6 years of my marriage with essentially no physical relationship, be it sex, kissing, or any affection. Praise God things have changed for me, but I would have never believed it a couple years ago.
I found a lot of comfort knowing other men were struggling, but it was also petrifying. The extent of the denial so many Christian men undergo–good, loving, faithful husbands and fathers was staggering.. I can’t help but wonder how much more friendly and warm the Sunday morning worship and atmosphere would be if on Saturday night, Godly men were enjoying their wives. It truly is a religious experience.
Whoa, there, Big Guy — Let me just say that we shouldn’t assume “good, loving, faithful husbands and fathers” are the only ones being “D Nied”. Sometimes those men who seem like such paragons of longsuffering at church have privately turned sex into one more way to control their women. I personally am married to a man who for many years kept up a steady stream of criticism and put-downs, while also keeping me in the “D Nied” camp. He now misses no opportunity to whine about how I “no longer want him”, and accuses me of “withholding”. Hmmmm — ‘wonder how that could have possibly happened? HE claims to have no idea! Truth is, I just got tired of being jerked around. I just let him say whatever he wants, and put my trust in the God who sees.
Victor,
That is hilarious!!!
Much ado about nothing. I love Joe - his style is direct. Faulkner and Brecheen have been frank for 25 years - what’s up with all the broo-haha?
D Nied and Name Withheld -
The pain behind your comments is real and raw for so many couples. No command to “have sex and enjoy it” will fix it.
May God help us to develop communities of care where such pains and sorrows can be shared in the presence of friends who will support us, guide us, and pray for us.
Thanks!
Name withheld-
I would pray that you and your husband go to one of those classes. You are never too old to learn to feel love and a healthy marriage again. I feel your pain in your words too.
Mike, we have finally answered the question of the Restoration fathers . . “Are there Chrstians among the sects?” We now have sects among the Christians!
Too bad some of your folks can’t use the same hermenutics for the instruments in worship as they do for their other instruments. Now that you are singing the Song of Soloman, it might sound good with a guitar or piano!
Well, Mike, I must have been watching Fox the day this aired. My second reaction was something like, “Who’s idea was it to invite Joe to the inevitable meal of “roasted preacher.” The first, you can probably guess.
Then, I remembered. Joe has been the brunt of, “God forgives all sin, except yours” for years. Hopefully he has sufficient immunity built up.
I must say, regarding Joshin’s post, that even I’m a little surprised (but not particularly shocked) that someone would try to bring instrumental music into this. So much for open dialogue. (If you want, I’d love to talk with you about that annoying little hermeneutic called, “necessary inference.” Next time you’re in central Illinois, look me up and I’ll dust off the ol’ cone of silence — and for our toyphobic readers, that isn’t something naughty. I just don’t want to be heard.)
I can’t add anything constructive to what’s already been said. I tend to say what I think without actually using brain-to-mouth filter. Then, I just grow weary of the discourse (read it closer; I said DIS-course).
You do good work, Mike. Don’t let anyone convince you otherwise. Even if you did “repent,” you’d likely have no place to go. Those who criticize you wouldn’t welcome you into their pulpits anyway.
Take care - JK
D Nied and Name Withheld -
I was similar to what sounds like your husband…for more than 20 years. My angry uotbursts, direspectful judgements (so-called Love busters) wife had become very withdrawn to the point where she had become phsically averse to sex and totally unable to respond.
Joe Beam’s organization…sponsors “A new beginning” 3 day intensive marriage workshops for marriages like ours that are in deep trouble–even though everything might look fine to the outside world.
We followed up with the 8-week Dynamic Marriage course–both have transformed our marriage and I highly recommend them. They heavily use Willard Harley’s Love Busters, and His Needs Her needs books.
When I began to realise that I was losing my wife I searched for many seminars and resources. A weekend to remember and others are fine for many couples, but if either spouse is angry or withdrawn in my and someothers experience they will be of limited help to your marriage.
I highly recommend you google A New Beginning + marriage (it was the best $995 I have ever spent and certainly a lot less than you would spend on marriage counselling or divorce.
Also checkout Family Dynamics - 8 week Dynamic Marriage workshops that may be offered in your area. Their website is www dot family dynamics dot net.
If you gently present them to your husband and really pray he may be open to going. It will be painful — but there can be healing in this and other parts of your marriage.
Do take a look at the website.
Grace,
Hungaryson
There was some exaggeration in the article on Joe. The MSNBC writer attended a seminar for married couples–NOT A SUNDAY MORNING CHURCH ASSEMBLY.
Joe was asked specific questions about sex by Christian couples. He answered as best he could. Sex is an important part of marriage that is often overlooked.
But again let me say that the writer took liberties with Joe’s content to make the article more popular. In some cases, he misquoted–though I’m sure it was unintentional.
This is in reference to Joe Beam. I believe that what he is doing is an abomination and little more than an excuse for “Christian porn” in the church. It is the new craze for “Christ centered adult entertainment.” Sure, there is some need for sexual advice and therapy for Christian couples within marriage, but there are plenty of less obtrusive resources available for that. Right now there is a sexual revolution going on in the world, and the Church is trying to figure out where they fit in. Yes, there are many things in the Bible where God does not lay down all the rules for what Christians can and cannot do (like the subjects of masturbation or oral affection in a marriage). But with so much porn on the internet and everywhere else today, our society is saturated with open sexual perversion — to promote this kind of thing in the church in any form (that eroticism is good for Christians and we should “go for it,” and as stated on MSNBC in Joe Beam’s seminar — how Christian wives can make their husbands semen taste better during oral sex), is opening the door for Satan and even demons to lay hold in the lives of many of God’s saints. Today, the statistics prove that an absolutely HUGE percentage of Christian men (and even pastors) are hooked on porn on the internet – looking at dirty pictures and movies and masturbating. And even Christian women are hooked on various fantasies. There are now a number of Christian websites offering all sorts of sex toys and other paraphernalia EXCLUSIVELY for Christians. Right now the church door is opening just a crack. Not far behind what Joe Beam is promoting, will be so called “kingdom relationships” where people can enjoy sex with others within the body of Christ in ways that are mutually loving and “not harmful.” Or how about making Christian porn movies as an alternative to what the world is offering (of course only married couples would perform the sex acts to start out with). These movies, could enhance the sexual experience of other Christian couples and “glorify Christ” in the process. After all, the church “needs to provide an alternative,” especially for our younger folk who will be looking forward to the joys of marriage. There is no end to where all this could lead, people can try to justify according to scripture whatever perversion they want (including gay marriage). I am sick and tired of people using the Song of Solomon as an excuse for anything goes. Sex is a natural act like eating or anything else we do as humans, and man has always reproduced for centuries without all the explosive sexual phenomenon and erotica that we are witnessing today in society. God does not want His children making sex the big thing in their lives, it becomes a worship thing of the flesh. Here is something else to think about in relation to what God thinks about sex. Something very plain in scripture that no one seems to mention. There are umpteen verses in the Bible that show that celibacy and ABSTINENCE FROM SEX IS VERY PLEASING TO GOD. Passage after passage talks about the unmarried being highly honorable to the Lord, and to stay single is better for some people than marriage. Jesus talked about those who make themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom. In 1 Cor 7:34 it talks about the virgin being “more pure in body and in spirit.” WHY ISN’T JOE BEAM TALKING ABOUT THIS WEIGHT OF SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE AWAY FROM SEX AND TOWARDS GOD EXCLUSIVELY. I will say it point blank. The worship of sex in any form is idolatry, even in marriage. Christian rock music has now come into the church and Christian porn in various forms is not going to be far behind. We may witness abominations in the Christian church in the next ten to twenty years that will be mind-boggling now, but then become acceptable. These are indeed the last days. May Jesus help us all.
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