Not Your Father’s Today Show
This morning wasn’t your average Weekend Today Show. Even Lester and Campbell were blushing. Lester said that language that frank wasn’t often spoken on their show.
So who was this guest?
Our buddy Joe Beam. Talking about oral sex, multiple orgasms, fantasies, alcohol consumption, masturbation, etc.
Here’s what I loved: Joe came across as a kind man who is on a mission and who is full of grace. When asked which “couples” are his target audience, he just said married couples — husbands and wives. When asked if there are any limits, he named them kindly and succinctly: (1) only with your spouse, (2) no animals, and (3) nothing that hurts either person. (I’m naive enough to wonder if he couldn’t have boiled it down to rules 1 and 3, assuming number 2. But he talks to more people about sex than I do. . . .) When asked about alcohol, he said that drinking in moderation is fine, but drunkenness is wrong. He spoke with a gleam in his eyes about couples needing to remove some of the inhibitions (or quit feeling bad about things they’re already doing) and to have fun.
On national television. A Church of Christ preacher.
The world is changing.
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I would pray that you and your husband go to one of those classes. You are never too old to learn to feel love and a healthy marriage again. I feel your pain in your words too.
Mike, we have finally answered the question of the Restoration fathers . . “Are there Chrstians among the sects?” We now have sects among the Christians!
Too bad some of your folks can’t use the same hermenutics for the instruments in worship as they do for their other instruments. Now that you are singing the Song of Soloman, it might sound good with a guitar or piano!
Well, Mike, I must have been watching Fox the day this aired. My second reaction was something like, “Who’s idea was it to invite Joe to the inevitable meal of “roasted preacher.” The first, you can probably guess.
Then, I remembered. Joe has been the brunt of, “God forgives all sin, except yours” for years. Hopefully he has sufficient immunity built up.
I must say, regarding Joshin’s post, that even I’m a little surprised (but not particularly shocked) that someone would try to bring instrumental music into this. So much for open dialogue. (If you want, I’d love to talk with you about that annoying little hermeneutic called, “necessary inference.” Next time you’re in central Illinois, look me up and I’ll dust off the ol’ cone of silence — and for our toyphobic readers, that isn’t something naughty. I just don’t want to be heard.)
I can’t add anything constructive to what’s already been said. I tend to say what I think without actually using brain-to-mouth filter. Then, I just grow weary of the discourse (read it closer; I said DIS-course).
You do good work, Mike. Don’t let anyone convince you otherwise. Even if you did “repent,” you’d likely have no place to go. Those who criticize you wouldn’t welcome you into their pulpits anyway.
Take care – JK
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I was similar to what sounds like your husband…for more than 20 years. My angry uotbursts, direspectful judgements (so-called Love busters) wife had become very withdrawn to the point where she had become phsically averse to sex and totally unable to respond.
Joe Beam’s organization…sponsors “A new beginning” 3 day intensive marriage workshops for marriages like ours that are in deep trouble–even though everything might look fine to the outside world.
We followed up with the 8-week Dynamic Marriage course–both have transformed our marriage and I highly recommend them. They heavily use Willard Harley’s Love Busters, and His Needs Her needs books.
When I began to realise that I was losing my wife I searched for many seminars and resources. A weekend to remember and others are fine for many couples, but if either spouse is angry or withdrawn in my and someothers experience they will be of limited help to your marriage.
I highly recommend you google A New Beginning + marriage (it was the best $995 I have ever spent and certainly a lot less than you would spend on marriage counselling or divorce.
Also checkout Family Dynamics – 8 week Dynamic Marriage workshops that may be offered in your area. Their website is www dot family dynamics dot net.
If you gently present them to your husband and really pray he may be open to going. It will be painful — but there can be healing in this and other parts of your marriage.
Do take a look at the website.
Grace,
Hungaryson
There was some exaggeration in the article on Joe. The MSNBC writer attended a seminar for married couples–NOT A SUNDAY MORNING CHURCH ASSEMBLY.
Joe was asked specific questions about sex by Christian couples. He answered as best he could. Sex is an important part of marriage that is often overlooked.
But again let me say that the writer took liberties with Joe’s content to make the article more popular. In some cases, he misquoted–though I’m sure it was unintentional.
This is in reference to Joe Beam. I believe that what he is doing is an abomination and little more than an excuse for “Christian porn” in the church. It is the new craze for “Christ centered adult entertainment.” Sure, there is some need for sexual advice and therapy for Christian couples within marriage, but there are plenty of less obtrusive resources available for that. Right now there is a sexual revolution going on in the world, and the Church is trying to figure out where they fit in. Yes, there are many things in the Bible where God does not lay down all the rules for what Christians can and cannot do (like the subjects of masturbation or oral affection in a marriage). But with so much porn on the internet and everywhere else today, our society is saturated with open sexual perversion — to promote this kind of thing in the church in any form (that eroticism is good for Christians and we should “go for it,” and as stated on MSNBC in Joe Beam’s seminar — how Christian wives can make their husbands semen taste better during oral sex), is opening the door for Satan and even demons to lay hold in the lives of many of God’s saints. Today, the statistics prove that an absolutely HUGE percentage of Christian men (and even pastors) are hooked on porn on the internet – looking at dirty pictures and movies and masturbating. And even Christian women are hooked on various fantasies. There are now a number of Christian websites offering all sorts of sex toys and other paraphernalia EXCLUSIVELY for Christians. Right now the church door is opening just a crack. Not far behind what Joe Beam is promoting, will be so called “kingdom relationships” where people can enjoy sex with others within the body of Christ in ways that are mutually loving and “not harmful.” Or how about making Christian porn movies as an alternative to what the world is offering (of course only married couples would perform the sex acts to start out with). These movies, could enhance the sexual experience of other Christian couples and “glorify Christ” in the process. After all, the church “needs to provide an alternative,” especially for our younger folk who will be looking forward to the joys of marriage. There is no end to where all this could lead, people can try to justify according to scripture whatever perversion they want (including gay marriage). I am sick and tired of people using the Song of Solomon as an excuse for anything goes. Sex is a natural act like eating or anything else we do as humans, and man has always reproduced for centuries without all the explosive sexual phenomenon and erotica that we are witnessing today in society. God does not want His children making sex the big thing in their lives, it becomes a worship thing of the flesh. Here is something else to think about in relation to what God thinks about sex. Something very plain in scripture that no one seems to mention. There are umpteen verses in the Bible that show that celibacy and ABSTINENCE FROM SEX IS VERY PLEASING TO GOD. Passage after passage talks about the unmarried being highly honorable to the Lord, and to stay single is better for some people than marriage. Jesus talked about those who make themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom. In 1 Cor 7:34 it talks about the virgin being “more pure in body and in spirit.” WHY ISN’T JOE BEAM TALKING ABOUT THIS WEIGHT OF SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE AWAY FROM SEX AND TOWARDS GOD EXCLUSIVELY. I will say it point blank. The worship of sex in any form is idolatry, even in marriage. Christian rock music has now come into the church and Christian porn in various forms is not going to be far behind. We may witness abominations in the Christian church in the next ten to twenty years that will be mind-boggling now, but then become acceptable. These are indeed the last days. May Jesus help us all.
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