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		<title>By: Jones Lambert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jones Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google is the best search engine</description>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/09/09/i-saw-angels-fly/comment-page-2#comment-14805</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>12And he dreamed, and behold, a ladder was set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven; and behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.

Genesis 28:12

He placed the cherubim inside the innermost room of the temple, with their wings spread out. The wing of one cherub touched one wall, while the wing of the other touched the other wall, and their wings touched each other in the middle of the room.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>12And he dreamed, and behold, a ladder was set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven; and behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.</p>
<p>Genesis 28:12</p>
<p>He placed the cherubim inside the innermost room of the temple, with their wings spread out. The wing of one cherub touched one wall, while the wing of the other touched the other wall, and their wings touched each other in the middle of the room.</p>
<p>I Kings 6:27</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Gillespie</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/09/09/i-saw-angels-fly/comment-page-2#comment-14804</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Gillespie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t wait to see this thing in person this weekend. Interesting that the image has angels with wings (capable of flying) climbing a ladder. Kind of like walking your bicycle across town. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t wait to see this thing in person this weekend. Interesting that the image has angels with wings (capable of flying) climbing a ladder. Kind of like walking your bicycle across town.<br />
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		<title>By: Elphie</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/09/09/i-saw-angels-fly/comment-page-2#comment-14751</link>
		<dc:creator>Elphie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was serving the dinner theatre the night the statue went up, and at one point, the entire room burst in appaluse-because the angels were coming in. Since then, I have heard many different opinions about the statue, and have yet to see except from far away. It is truly a magnificent work of art, and the ability to see scenes from the Bible come to life on our campus is such an amazing thing-and reinforces with me that these are much more than stories-that these are true events, that God allowed visions, and that Jacob saw angels moving from Heaven to Earth. If it does nothing else, the statue has given me comfort, and as sculpted angels move between Earth and sky, I cannot help but feel the protective hand of God as I go about my day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was serving the dinner theatre the night the statue went up, and at one point, the entire room burst in appaluse-because the angels were coming in. Since then, I have heard many different opinions about the statue, and have yet to see except from far away. It is truly a magnificent work of art, and the ability to see scenes from the Bible come to life on our campus is such an amazing thing-and reinforces with me that these are much more than stories-that these are true events, that God allowed visions, and that Jacob saw angels moving from Heaven to Earth. If it does nothing else, the statue has given me comfort, and as sculpted angels move between Earth and sky, I cannot help but feel the protective hand of God as I go about my day.</p>
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		<title>By: Corner 133 &#187; questions&#8230;&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corner 133 &#187; questions&#8230;&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The person who builds the piece of art that glorifies God or the person who gives emphases to the plight of the poor? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: reJoyce</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/09/09/i-saw-angels-fly/comment-page-2#comment-14705</link>
		<dc:creator>reJoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, just because I have a project that I really don&#039;t want to do, and also because I was curious, I went back to the post on the statue in Memphis and wrote down the names of the people who commented about it being a waste of money. Then, I came back and went through our comments today. Based on a quick look through, none of the people who specifically commented negatively about the money spent on the Memphis statue commented positively on this post about Jacob&#039;s Ladder - as far as I can tell, none of them commented at all. It&#039;s late and I could have missed some, but for what it&#039;s worth, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the exact same people.  

Okay. Now I can&#039;t put off my project anymore. 
Grace and peace to all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, just because I have a project that I really don&#8217;t want to do, and also because I was curious, I went back to the post on the statue in Memphis and wrote down the names of the people who commented about it being a waste of money. Then, I came back and went through our comments today. Based on a quick look through, none of the people who specifically commented negatively about the money spent on the Memphis statue commented positively on this post about Jacob&#8217;s Ladder &#8211; as far as I can tell, none of them commented at all. It&#8217;s late and I could have missed some, but for what it&#8217;s worth, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the exact same people.  </p>
<p>Okay. Now I can&#8217;t put off my project anymore.<br />
Grace and peace to all!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Field</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I would hope so Jill!!! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I would hope so Jill!!! <img src='http://preachermike.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jill Maxwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mine too, David.</description>
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		<title>By: David Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack is my hero.</description>
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		<title>By: Jana</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/09/09/i-saw-angels-fly/comment-page-2#comment-14687</link>
		<dc:creator>Jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack Maxwell is a GIFTED artist. What a blessing that he uses his gifts to give glory to God!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel Gray</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/09/09/i-saw-angels-fly/comment-page-2#comment-14686</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The statue (and monetary uses) does bother me somewhat, but I do see the value in glorifying God with something beautiful.  I have mixed emotions about it, nonetheless.  However, I realize that someone donated the money for it, and probably would not have given the money had it not been used for what it was used for.  So I don&#039;t see much reason to argue with it.  People will do what they want with their money, and other than offer criticism and suggest better options (just like Judas), I can&#039;t do anything more.  Might as well leave that for the Decider.

However, I agree with Kerry in feeling a bit of hypocrisy from this group.  Though Mike may not have mentioned &quot;wasted money&quot; himself in only referring to the political-spiritual aspect, I seem to recall much of the posts on that day commenting not only on the political-spiritual, but also on the money spent and how it could have been used better.

I read back through the discussion (August 11) and noticed that it quickly turned into a debate on poverty and money.  The majority of posts had something to say about the monetary uses as well as political.  That bothers me... We griped about a church &quot;wasting&quot; 250,000 and then praise one of our own for &quot;glorifying God&quot; with 3-5 million (not sure of the exact cost).  Sounds exactly like the speck vs. the log.

If we&#039;re going to use art to glorify God, let&#039;s just be careful not to judge other people&#039;s contributions.  Others aren&#039;t helping the poor, but not me, I&#039;m glorifying God.

I wonder if we had talked about Jacob&#039;s Ladder, and then the Memphis statue came up after that, if our response might have been less critical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The statue (and monetary uses) does bother me somewhat, but I do see the value in glorifying God with something beautiful.  I have mixed emotions about it, nonetheless.  However, I realize that someone donated the money for it, and probably would not have given the money had it not been used for what it was used for.  So I don&#8217;t see much reason to argue with it.  People will do what they want with their money, and other than offer criticism and suggest better options (just like Judas), I can&#8217;t do anything more.  Might as well leave that for the Decider.</p>
<p>However, I agree with Kerry in feeling a bit of hypocrisy from this group.  Though Mike may not have mentioned &#8220;wasted money&#8221; himself in only referring to the political-spiritual aspect, I seem to recall much of the posts on that day commenting not only on the political-spiritual, but also on the money spent and how it could have been used better.</p>
<p>I read back through the discussion (August 11) and noticed that it quickly turned into a debate on poverty and money.  The majority of posts had something to say about the monetary uses as well as political.  That bothers me&#8230; We griped about a church &#8220;wasting&#8221; 250,000 and then praise one of our own for &#8220;glorifying God&#8221; with 3-5 million (not sure of the exact cost).  Sounds exactly like the speck vs. the log.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re going to use art to glorify God, let&#8217;s just be careful not to judge other people&#8217;s contributions.  Others aren&#8217;t helping the poor, but not me, I&#8217;m glorifying God.</p>
<p>I wonder if we had talked about Jacob&#8217;s Ladder, and then the Memphis statue came up after that, if our response might have been less critical.</p>
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		<title>By: mac sandlin</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/09/09/i-saw-angels-fly/comment-page-2#comment-14681</link>
		<dc:creator>mac sandlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Mike raises some very valid points about the perfume being poured out, and the temple.  Art, even expensive ornate art, has a viable place in Christianity, and we are wrong to vilify it unjustly.

The sculpture looks amazing, and I&#039;d love to see it, but I&#039;m a little bit wary of calling it &quot;sacred&quot; or implying that the ground aroud it is more holy than some other piece of ground.  That&#039;s nothing against the art or against its ability to inspire and uplift people.  I&#039;m just saying that ideas about sacred space can lead to misunderstanding our faith if we&#039;re not careful.  Even as we move towards a much-needed balance on the issue of religious art and its real usefullness in the church, we should be wary of attributing holiness to things made with our hands rather than with God&#039;s hands. 

Again, I like the statue, and I&#039;m glad taht ACU has it on its campus.  Praise God for the gifts He has given to the artists involved in this project, and I hope that the sculpture will inspire others to more closer to God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Mike raises some very valid points about the perfume being poured out, and the temple.  Art, even expensive ornate art, has a viable place in Christianity, and we are wrong to vilify it unjustly.</p>
<p>The sculpture looks amazing, and I&#8217;d love to see it, but I&#8217;m a little bit wary of calling it &#8220;sacred&#8221; or implying that the ground aroud it is more holy than some other piece of ground.  That&#8217;s nothing against the art or against its ability to inspire and uplift people.  I&#8217;m just saying that ideas about sacred space can lead to misunderstanding our faith if we&#8217;re not careful.  Even as we move towards a much-needed balance on the issue of religious art and its real usefullness in the church, we should be wary of attributing holiness to things made with our hands rather than with God&#8217;s hands. </p>
<p>Again, I like the statue, and I&#8217;m glad taht ACU has it on its campus.  Praise God for the gifts He has given to the artists involved in this project, and I hope that the sculpture will inspire others to more closer to God.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snapshop-
Very well said!</description>
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Very well said!</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Cutsinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Cutsinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I &quot;grew up in the church&quot; where even such things as stained glass windows were derided as gaudy and excessive. Those with gifts of art, music, drama and other creative abilities suffrocated in a atmosphere that provided no breathing room for expression. 

Thank God we are beginning to see a new day. 

Mike, thanks for allowing a forum that permits discussion like this, as difficult as it may be. It&#039;s healthy, and I am blessed by it. Mayber there is hope that we are growing past our staid and stifling heritage into the freedom of the sons of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I &#8220;grew up in the church&#8221; where even such things as stained glass windows were derided as gaudy and excessive. Those with gifts of art, music, drama and other creative abilities suffrocated in a atmosphere that provided no breathing room for expression. </p>
<p>Thank God we are beginning to see a new day. </p>
<p>Mike, thanks for allowing a forum that permits discussion like this, as difficult as it may be. It&#8217;s healthy, and I am blessed by it. Mayber there is hope that we are growing past our staid and stifling heritage into the freedom of the sons of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Snapshot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snapshot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a photographic artist.  The reason I am a photographic artist is not by chance or even luck.  It&#039;s by God.  God has given me the ability to express deep internal yearnings, hurts, periods of celebration and even meditations through my art form.  I believe with all that is within me, that if I supress this God given creative expression, that I will be quenching the Spirit of God that dwells within me. 
 
Some people do not understand art and it&#039;s origins.  And not because they are all mean and hateful, but because they just do not understand it.  What we don&#039;t understand we are always leary of.  The ability to create began with THE Creator. 
 
No my artwork won&#039;t feed the hungry.  But perhaps, it will inspire just one person to seek deeper into the heart of God and individually be moved to go out and feed the hungry. And as I make a living with my God given gift, I can provide food, clothing and shelter for not only my family, but the needy that God sends my way. 

The God I serve is a lavish and creative God who loves to shine through beauty.  If it were not so, the sun would set quickly and without the blazes of color I see each afternoon in breath taking hues of violet, oranges and reds.  He would make the seasons change without the incredible golds and reds of turning leaves in the fall and the clear unmuted greens of the spring.  Do all these creative gifts in nature make sense?  No, not to human minds.  But each time we see these gifts we reflect on the majesty and generous spirit of God who did all this just so that we could be surrounded by His beauty. 

As for the Memphis artpiece.  I think it was odd, that&#039;s just my opinion.  But deep within someone, they were moved to express the unity of man, country and God.  That particular art piece did not speak to me and didn&#039;t speak to many of you.  But it doesn&#039;t make it invalid expression. 
 
I do believe it&#039;s a valid point that one piece of art would be praised on this blog (not just Mike, but many commenters) while yet another is presented with praise.  We ALL tend to criticize what we don&#039;t understand.  Some don&#039;t understand the Memphis artist while others dont&#039; understand Jack and Jill Maxwell.  But when an attempt is made in art to glorify the Creator, we need to be a little less judgmental.  When a child gives their parent an odd, even confusing piece of crayon or painted art, we don&#039;t criticize them for their attempt.  We enjoy the fact that they took the time and effort to attempt! Because it is a gift of love.  

Jack and Jill Maxwell have blessed me time and time again through Zoe.  Their artistic expressions at the conferences have made strong visual memories for me that cause me reason to celebrate. Sometimes I will forget the words of a speaker, but seeing one of Jack and Jill&#039;s images will bring back the lesson and the heart felt emotions that were stirred.
 
My apologies for the long post, but as an artist, I take this very personally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a photographic artist.  The reason I am a photographic artist is not by chance or even luck.  It&#8217;s by God.  God has given me the ability to express deep internal yearnings, hurts, periods of celebration and even meditations through my art form.  I believe with all that is within me, that if I supress this God given creative expression, that I will be quenching the Spirit of God that dwells within me. </p>
<p>Some people do not understand art and it&#8217;s origins.  And not because they are all mean and hateful, but because they just do not understand it.  What we don&#8217;t understand we are always leary of.  The ability to create began with THE Creator. </p>
<p>No my artwork won&#8217;t feed the hungry.  But perhaps, it will inspire just one person to seek deeper into the heart of God and individually be moved to go out and feed the hungry. And as I make a living with my God given gift, I can provide food, clothing and shelter for not only my family, but the needy that God sends my way. </p>
<p>The God I serve is a lavish and creative God who loves to shine through beauty.  If it were not so, the sun would set quickly and without the blazes of color I see each afternoon in breath taking hues of violet, oranges and reds.  He would make the seasons change without the incredible golds and reds of turning leaves in the fall and the clear unmuted greens of the spring.  Do all these creative gifts in nature make sense?  No, not to human minds.  But each time we see these gifts we reflect on the majesty and generous spirit of God who did all this just so that we could be surrounded by His beauty. </p>
<p>As for the Memphis artpiece.  I think it was odd, that&#8217;s just my opinion.  But deep within someone, they were moved to express the unity of man, country and God.  That particular art piece did not speak to me and didn&#8217;t speak to many of you.  But it doesn&#8217;t make it invalid expression. </p>
<p>I do believe it&#8217;s a valid point that one piece of art would be praised on this blog (not just Mike, but many commenters) while yet another is presented with praise.  We ALL tend to criticize what we don&#8217;t understand.  Some don&#8217;t understand the Memphis artist while others dont&#8217; understand Jack and Jill Maxwell.  But when an attempt is made in art to glorify the Creator, we need to be a little less judgmental.  When a child gives their parent an odd, even confusing piece of crayon or painted art, we don&#8217;t criticize them for their attempt.  We enjoy the fact that they took the time and effort to attempt! Because it is a gift of love.  </p>
<p>Jack and Jill Maxwell have blessed me time and time again through Zoe.  Their artistic expressions at the conferences have made strong visual memories for me that cause me reason to celebrate. Sometimes I will forget the words of a speaker, but seeing one of Jack and Jill&#8217;s images will bring back the lesson and the heart felt emotions that were stirred.</p>
<p>My apologies for the long post, but as an artist, I take this very personally.</p>
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