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		<title>By: qb</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/04/23/the-live-current/comment-page-1#comment-10813</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dallas Willard was once asked to give an account of his views on tenure in a secular university.  At one point, wrestling with his fellow Baylor students&#039; search for pulpits to fill, he said the Lord spoke to his heart the following:

&quot;Never try to find a place to speak, try to have something to say.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dallas Willard was once asked to give an account of his views on tenure in a secular university.  At one point, wrestling with his fellow Baylor students&#8217; search for pulpits to fill, he said the Lord spoke to his heart the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;Never try to find a place to speak, try to have something to say.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: defunt_seminarian</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/04/23/the-live-current/comment-page-1#comment-10800</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbara Brown Taylor... an amazing testimony to just how ridiculous it is to keep women out of the pulpit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara Brown Taylor&#8230; an amazing testimony to just how ridiculous it is to keep women out of the pulpit.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/04/23/the-live-current/comment-page-1#comment-10772</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More apologies, Mike! I meant for this to be a comment of your Addition/Subtraction post. Boy, am I behind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More apologies, Mike! I meant for this to be a comment of your Addition/Subtraction post. Boy, am I behind!</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/04/23/the-live-current/comment-page-1#comment-10771</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will happen in a few years&#039; time when &#039;missional&#039; is no longer a trendy buzz word or concept, or a different way to spin Jesus&#039; Great Commission? 

And what relevancy does using this term and throwing it around with any authority have with regular, day-to-day folk who do not aspire to be theologians or do not feel the professional call to ministry? 

I mean, the call to ministry has become more and more professional, has it not? That is certainly evident in the salaries of those who are in the &#039;ministry&#039; ... especially if you compare what an American pastor/minister claims compared with the salaries of those of us working in other countries (and no, we are not &#039;missionaries&#039; in the American sense of the word).

The more I try to relate to people, the more I question how to openly use the language of the methodology. To many, the following terms (not in alphabetical order, and certainly not complete) sound pretentious, ambiguous, scary, alienating, and WAY boring:
* missional
·	Hermeneutics
·	Apologetics
·	Emergent
·	Contextualize
·	Evangelical
·	Pluralism
·	Agnostic
·	Anabaptist
·	Orthodoxy
·	Postmodernity
·	Transubstantiation
·	Apostasy
·	Redemptive
·	Restorative
·	Canonical
·	Rubrics
·	Doctrine
·	Niebuhr
·	Reductionism
·	Theocentristism
·	Vestibule
·	Transcendence
·	Paradigm (I just got blasted the other day by a friend, and educator here in the UK, who said, ‘O, you Americans!’ when I used that term – I had no idea.)

Some of these terms are thrown around more in one country than the other (US/UK). We can certainly use these terms in within the boundaries of certain circles. But some of these terms do not help us relate to people we want to love on. Even in the books I read, I have to be careful socially in ‘sharing’ the latest great recent read. If I am currently reading Yoder, not many at my church have the faintest inkling who I’m talking about. If I say I’ve just been reading the latest book by NT Wright, no one has a light bulb moment until I say, ‘You know, Bishop Tom’. That is understood much more, because Bishop Tom Wright is frequently and popularly heard presenting the ‘Thought for the Day’ on Radio 4 (BBC).

I am not trying to be unkind here. But the emergent movement has crossed the Pond more recently than when it ‘emerged’ in the US. Church people here are already very sceptical of any new ‘methodology’ or ways to ‘do church’ that come from America, and when I just open my mouth, my accent gives me away. I find it very difficult to serve here as I served in the US. Even the concept of ‘music ministry’ as we know it in the US is different, because it is not even a ministerial concept here. New religious ideas and worship practices have to be introduced softly, softly here. Indeed we are blessed to have theologians like Bishop Tom, but in the UK church people are not quite as exuberant about expressing even a modicum of their religious faith as openly as in the American Bible Belt, where everyone proudly displays religious paraphernalia on their desks and workstations in their places of business. Most people don’t have the luxury of attending their local diocesan cathedral; they are stuck with their parish church. If you leave your parish church, then you have to also leave the people and the community and parish you live in to do so. It makes fellowship/discipleship extremely prohibitive in this culture.

Apologies for this being so long – guess a nerve was struck. Blessings with your church’s growth. You would probably be really depressed if you came to visit my church and probably feel like you couldn&#039;t get back home to America quickly enough.

(You&#039;ve moved on to a new topic, thanks to the time zone!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will happen in a few years&#8217; time when &#8216;missional&#8217; is no longer a trendy buzz word or concept, or a different way to spin Jesus&#8217; Great Commission? </p>
<p>And what relevancy does using this term and throwing it around with any authority have with regular, day-to-day folk who do not aspire to be theologians or do not feel the professional call to ministry? </p>
<p>I mean, the call to ministry has become more and more professional, has it not? That is certainly evident in the salaries of those who are in the &#8216;ministry&#8217; &#8230; especially if you compare what an American pastor/minister claims compared with the salaries of those of us working in other countries (and no, we are not &#8216;missionaries&#8217; in the American sense of the word).</p>
<p>The more I try to relate to people, the more I question how to openly use the language of the methodology. To many, the following terms (not in alphabetical order, and certainly not complete) sound pretentious, ambiguous, scary, alienating, and WAY boring:<br />
* missional<br />
·	Hermeneutics<br />
·	Apologetics<br />
·	Emergent<br />
·	Contextualize<br />
·	Evangelical<br />
·	Pluralism<br />
·	Agnostic<br />
·	Anabaptist<br />
·	Orthodoxy<br />
·	Postmodernity<br />
·	Transubstantiation<br />
·	Apostasy<br />
·	Redemptive<br />
·	Restorative<br />
·	Canonical<br />
·	Rubrics<br />
·	Doctrine<br />
·	Niebuhr<br />
·	Reductionism<br />
·	Theocentristism<br />
·	Vestibule<br />
·	Transcendence<br />
·	Paradigm (I just got blasted the other day by a friend, and educator here in the UK, who said, ‘O, you Americans!’ when I used that term – I had no idea.)</p>
<p>Some of these terms are thrown around more in one country than the other (US/UK). We can certainly use these terms in within the boundaries of certain circles. But some of these terms do not help us relate to people we want to love on. Even in the books I read, I have to be careful socially in ‘sharing’ the latest great recent read. If I am currently reading Yoder, not many at my church have the faintest inkling who I’m talking about. If I say I’ve just been reading the latest book by NT Wright, no one has a light bulb moment until I say, ‘You know, Bishop Tom’. That is understood much more, because Bishop Tom Wright is frequently and popularly heard presenting the ‘Thought for the Day’ on Radio 4 (BBC).</p>
<p>I am not trying to be unkind here. But the emergent movement has crossed the Pond more recently than when it ‘emerged’ in the US. Church people here are already very sceptical of any new ‘methodology’ or ways to ‘do church’ that come from America, and when I just open my mouth, my accent gives me away. I find it very difficult to serve here as I served in the US. Even the concept of ‘music ministry’ as we know it in the US is different, because it is not even a ministerial concept here. New religious ideas and worship practices have to be introduced softly, softly here. Indeed we are blessed to have theologians like Bishop Tom, but in the UK church people are not quite as exuberant about expressing even a modicum of their religious faith as openly as in the American Bible Belt, where everyone proudly displays religious paraphernalia on their desks and workstations in their places of business. Most people don’t have the luxury of attending their local diocesan cathedral; they are stuck with their parish church. If you leave your parish church, then you have to also leave the people and the community and parish you live in to do so. It makes fellowship/discipleship extremely prohibitive in this culture.</p>
<p>Apologies for this being so long – guess a nerve was struck. Blessings with your church’s growth. You would probably be really depressed if you came to visit my church and probably feel like you couldn&#8217;t get back home to America quickly enough.</p>
<p>(You&#8217;ve moved on to a new topic, thanks to the time zone!)</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/04/23/the-live-current/comment-page-1#comment-10766</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, you are so right about Jimmy&#039;s words this morning.  Powerful and convicting.  Jimmy and I talked the night we viewed The Invisible Children video and were both were moved by the same thoughts...until we are all free, none of us are free.  Until my freedom is wrapped up in the world&#039;s freedom...then I don&#039;t really get it.  Once we really do get it..then, what do we do?  with our money? with our personal lives?  with our churches?  what does it look like?  do we move into smaller houses?  do we open our eyes wider to see what and who are around us?  do we drop some boundaries that we have put into place?  do we stop spending money frivolously?  do we put our money where are hearts have moved to?  do we move our hearts to the place that God is pushing it?  do we believe the Spirit when it is calling us to change?  I am sorry...only questions...no answers...maybe I am saying there aren&#039;t answers because I don&#039;t want to hear what the Spirit is saying...no, screaming in my head...okay, I admit, there are answers and I think we all know what they are.  My baptism compels me...I signed on...didn&#039;t I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, you are so right about Jimmy&#8217;s words this morning.  Powerful and convicting.  Jimmy and I talked the night we viewed The Invisible Children video and were both were moved by the same thoughts&#8230;until we are all free, none of us are free.  Until my freedom is wrapped up in the world&#8217;s freedom&#8230;then I don&#8217;t really get it.  Once we really do get it..then, what do we do?  with our money? with our personal lives?  with our churches?  what does it look like?  do we move into smaller houses?  do we open our eyes wider to see what and who are around us?  do we drop some boundaries that we have put into place?  do we stop spending money frivolously?  do we put our money where are hearts have moved to?  do we move our hearts to the place that God is pushing it?  do we believe the Spirit when it is calling us to change?  I am sorry&#8230;only questions&#8230;no answers&#8230;maybe I am saying there aren&#8217;t answers because I don&#8217;t want to hear what the Spirit is saying&#8230;no, screaming in my head&#8230;okay, I admit, there are answers and I think we all know what they are.  My baptism compels me&#8230;I signed on&#8230;didn&#8217;t I?</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy, just let me know where and when!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy, just let me know where and when!</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/04/23/the-live-current/comment-page-1#comment-10759</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always amazed by the things I learn on this blog.  I learned today that my wife, Tracy, aspires to preach.
Great, now somebody else gunning for my job. I look forward to the day I get to hear her preach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always amazed by the things I learn on this blog.  I learned today that my wife, Tracy, aspires to preach.<br />
Great, now somebody else gunning for my job. I look forward to the day I get to hear her preach.</p>
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		<title>By: Beverly</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/04/23/the-live-current/comment-page-1#comment-10757</link>
		<dc:creator>Beverly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clint..have anything to do with The Doors..?</description>
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		<title>By: Leland</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/04/23/the-live-current/comment-page-1#comment-10756</link>
		<dc:creator>Leland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this quote not only because it was good but because it was from a woman on preaching; posted on a church of christ preacher&#039;s blog.

I saw 4 horsemen and heard Johnny Cash singing on my way to church this morning, now I know what it was about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this quote not only because it was good but because it was from a woman on preaching; posted on a church of christ preacher&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>I saw 4 horsemen and heard Johnny Cash singing on my way to church this morning, now I know what it was about.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/04/23/the-live-current/comment-page-1#comment-10755</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great way to begin.  Someday when I get to deliver a sermon, I hope that it is with this same God-centered approach that I begin the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great way to begin.  Someday when I get to deliver a sermon, I hope that it is with this same God-centered approach that I begin the process.</p>
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		<title>By: clintL</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/04/23/the-live-current/comment-page-1#comment-10752</link>
		<dc:creator>clintL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone else notice the irony to day?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone else notice the irony to day?</p>
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		<title>By: Beverly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beverly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow..Jim Morrison..I told him afterwards that I had so much to say but that there were a million people waiting behind me...all I could say was, &quot;thanks.&quot;
Yes, so powerful..a wake-up call to a sleepy nation..
Mike, thanks for encouraging him to share with us. I was sitting back with the high school boys and they were listening...
Jim..if you are reading this..I consider myself blessed to be kin to ya in Christ..love ya, brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow..Jim Morrison..I told him afterwards that I had so much to say but that there were a million people waiting behind me&#8230;all I could say was, &#8220;thanks.&#8221;<br />
Yes, so powerful..a wake-up call to a sleepy nation..<br />
Mike, thanks for encouraging him to share with us. I was sitting back with the high school boys and they were listening&#8230;<br />
Jim..if you are reading this..I consider myself blessed to be kin to ya in Christ..love ya, brother.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2006/04/23/the-live-current/comment-page-1#comment-10750</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The testimony/confession/challenge from Dr. Jim Morrison today was life-altering.  We cannot be the same church after hearing that.  Just can&#039;t.  A clear call to follow the Way of Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The testimony/confession/challenge from Dr. Jim Morrison today was life-altering.  We cannot be the same church after hearing that.  Just can&#8217;t.  A clear call to follow the Way of Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose &quot;hear&quot; was the word I was looking for.

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose &#8220;hear&#8221; was the word I was looking for.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also true is:  &quot;If there is a mist in the pulpit, there will be a fog in the pews?

I have found that if I force my sermon into the mix and don&#039;t allow the Spirit his way (otherwise know as putting out the Spirit&#039;s fire), I suffer in the pulpit and so does my audience.

I have never wrestled so much as in sermon preparation.  Some of our office staff say they here &quot;strange tongues&quot; coming from my office as Friday gets nearer.

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also true is:  &#8220;If there is a mist in the pulpit, there will be a fog in the pews?</p>
<p>I have found that if I force my sermon into the mix and don&#8217;t allow the Spirit his way (otherwise know as putting out the Spirit&#8217;s fire), I suffer in the pulpit and so does my audience.</p>
<p>I have never wrestled so much as in sermon preparation.  Some of our office staff say they here &#8220;strange tongues&#8221; coming from my office as Friday gets nearer.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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