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		<title>By: Azzurra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Azzurra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 02:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buon luogo, congratulazioni, il mio amico!</description>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 06:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a HREF="http://mikecope.blogspot.com/2005/02/on-17th-i-blogged-about-change-in-how.html#c110934669061010881" rel="nofollow"&gt;Happytheman,&lt;/A&gt; Jeff &#38; Kama Medders of Dry Bones have left Venice for Arkansas (I think that's right). The road for them has been lonely indeed this last year. 

Finding support for their vision has been really hard on them. It does seem hardest sometimes on those who feel drawn to serve those most unlike us. Jeff is headed to a "traditional" ministry job (I wonder if he'll keep the earrings...). I hope he doesn't chafe in that environment.

Allan White
&lt;a HREF="www.pumpchurch.org" rel="nofollow"&gt;PUMP Church of Christ&lt;/A&gt;, Portland, OR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a HREF="http://mikecope.blogspot.com/2005/02/on-17th-i-blogged-about-change-in-how.html#c110934669061010881" rel="nofollow">Happytheman,</a> Jeff &amp; Kama Medders of Dry Bones have left Venice for Arkansas (I think that&#8217;s right). The road for them has been lonely indeed this last year. </p>
<p>Finding support for their vision has been really hard on them. It does seem hardest sometimes on those who feel drawn to serve those most unlike us. Jeff is headed to a &#8220;traditional&#8221; ministry job (I wonder if he&#8217;ll keep the earrings&#8230;). I hope he doesn&#8217;t chafe in that environment.</p>
<p>Allan White<br />
<a HREF="www.pumpchurch.org" rel="nofollow">PUMP Church of Christ</a>, Portland, OR</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Drysdale</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2005/02/25/110928250854155587#comment-3159</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Drysdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This talk about diversity and normalcy reminds me of Leonard Sweet's book, Jesus Drives Me Crazy, where he describes the church as a mixed nuthouse, and calls non-Christians "normies." Christians are supposed to be the abnormal ones!

Glenn Drysdale</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This talk about diversity and normalcy reminds me of Leonard Sweet&#8217;s book, Jesus Drives Me Crazy, where he describes the church as a mixed nuthouse, and calls non-Christians &#8220;normies.&#8221; Christians are supposed to be the abnormal ones!</p>
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		<title>By: don</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2005/02/25/110928250854155587#comment-3158</link>
		<dc:creator>don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, your statement that "Diversity in church is kind of like diversity in a mutual fund. Over the long haul, it's the best way to do things." illustrates better what you are trying to say, I think. Good point made.  

The music minister I mentioned in my earlier post (who said the "normal" people were ignored) is a young black guy, ministering in a truly diverse congregation, trying to minister to those people we normally miss (ignore/aren't in our neighborhoods/however you want to say it), and what I was saying rubbed him the wrong way was that the people who were from "normal" 
families or church backgrounds were being ignored (in his observation).  Anyway, his experience kind of turns our sentiment about our mostly homogenous nature on its' head, and is the basis for my question about "is this just another thing we have found to be against". 

We all simply need to be Jesus to everyone who needs him, which includes everyone, period.  What Steve Jr. was saying when he referenced your comment and mine in his blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, your statement that &#8220;Diversity in church is kind of like diversity in a mutual fund. Over the long haul, it&#8217;s the best way to do things.&#8221; illustrates better what you are trying to say, I think. Good point made.  </p>
<p>The music minister I mentioned in my earlier post (who said the &#8220;normal&#8221; people were ignored) is a young black guy, ministering in a truly diverse congregation, trying to minister to those people we normally miss (ignore/aren&#8217;t in our neighborhoods/however you want to say it), and what I was saying rubbed him the wrong way was that the people who were from &#8220;normal&#8221;<br />
families or church backgrounds were being ignored (in his observation).  Anyway, his experience kind of turns our sentiment about our mostly homogenous nature on its&#8217; head, and is the basis for my question about &#8220;is this just another thing we have found to be against&#8221;. </p>
<p>We all simply need to be Jesus to everyone who needs him, which includes everyone, period.  What Steve Jr. was saying when he referenced your comment and mine in his blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Mike Lewis</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2005/02/25/110928250854155587#comment-3157</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Mike Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need more "Messy Spirituality" churches.</description>
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		<title>By: Blogging by Tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogging by Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent thoughts, Mike.  One tiny criticism:  If you are going to quote Don McLaughlin, please at least spell his name properly. :-)

I'd like to add another group of people that may or may not be included in "diversity":  people with special needs.  My son has autism.  I attend North Atlanta Church of Christ and the people there have been wonderful in reaching out to him.  He goes to Bible class with the rest of the kids and his teachers are always happy to see him.  

This may not be true in other churches.  A while back, I listened to a tape from Focus on the Family about ministering to those with special needs.  A survey was mentioned in which over 50% of parents didn't feel comfortable in the church they were in because of the way their special-needs children were treated.

This past week, NBC did an extensive look at autism.  One of the statistics cites was that 1 in 166 people have it.  I'm not sure how accurate that statistic is; but I do know that autism is definitely on the rise.  These children have parents who are discouraged and exhausted at times.
Who better to reach out to with a helping hand than to those who are weary and burdened?

I've mused some about my son and about a trend towards "spiritual correctness" that I see.  I admit this is a shamless plug for my own blog (see http://tinaallyn.blogspot.com).

Thanks for your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent thoughts, Mike.  One tiny criticism:  If you are going to quote Don McLaughlin, please at least spell his name properly. <img src='http://preachermike.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I&#8217;d like to add another group of people that may or may not be included in &#8220;diversity&#8221;:  people with special needs.  My son has autism.  I attend North Atlanta Church of Christ and the people there have been wonderful in reaching out to him.  He goes to Bible class with the rest of the kids and his teachers are always happy to see him.  </p>
<p>This may not be true in other churches.  A while back, I listened to a tape from Focus on the Family about ministering to those with special needs.  A survey was mentioned in which over 50% of parents didn&#8217;t feel comfortable in the church they were in because of the way their special-needs children were treated.</p>
<p>This past week, NBC did an extensive look at autism.  One of the statistics cites was that 1 in 166 people have it.  I&#8217;m not sure how accurate that statistic is; but I do know that autism is definitely on the rise.  These children have parents who are discouraged and exhausted at times.<br />
Who better to reach out to with a helping hand than to those who are weary and burdened?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve mused some about my son and about a trend towards &#8220;spiritual correctness&#8221; that I see.  I admit this is a shamless plug for my own blog (see <a href="http://tinaallyn.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://tinaallyn.blogspot.com</a>).</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunnie Rhys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunnie Rhys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>missional churches and internships?

i am starting a missional church in auburn, al called mosaic family church.

like many missionaries before me, i have asked churches and individuals for finacial support.  the silence has been deafening.  we need those who think it is a great idea to put some "money" behind these missions.

as far as i'm concerned, i'd love to have interns.  however, would they be willing to raise their own support or would they work part-time while they are here?  would they want to work with established missional churches or would they be willing to work on the cutting edge of helping start new outreaches from scratch?

email me if you'd like to know more.</description>
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<p>i am starting a missional church in auburn, al called mosaic family church.</p>
<p>like many missionaries before me, i have asked churches and individuals for finacial support.  the silence has been deafening.  we need those who think it is a great idea to put some &#8220;money&#8221; behind these missions.</p>
<p>as far as i&#8217;m concerned, i&#8217;d love to have interns.  however, would they be willing to raise their own support or would they work part-time while they are here?  would they want to work with established missional churches or would they be willing to work on the cutting edge of helping start new outreaches from scratch?</p>
<p>email me if you&#8217;d like to know more.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2005/02/25/110928250854155587#comment-3153</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2005 04:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niki - 
i'm not sure how well you read my comment.  i didn't say i think people WANT to be known for their worst moment.  i certainly didn't say I want to be known for MY worst moment.  but i must say, the rest of your comment pretty much made my point for me.
Kathy - 
you're right - we all have sin in our lives.  i didn't say or imply that we don't.  and i didn't say or imply that people don't need forgiveness and acceptance.  of course we all do, whether it's for a "little white lie" or the "worst" sin imaginable (please note the intentional inclusion of quotation marks).  i simply stated that it is human nature (whether a person is a Christian or not) to take into account people's worst moments, including their own.  i didn't say it was the right thing to do or the Christian thing to do.  but it is human nature.  and becoming a Christian doesn't obliterate our human nature.  it gives us ultimate victory over sin and death, but it doesn't obliterate our human nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niki -<br />
i&#8217;m not sure how well you read my comment.  i didn&#8217;t say i think people WANT to be known for their worst moment.  i certainly didn&#8217;t say I want to be known for MY worst moment.  but i must say, the rest of your comment pretty much made my point for me.<br />
Kathy -<br />
you&#8217;re right - we all have sin in our lives.  i didn&#8217;t say or imply that we don&#8217;t.  and i didn&#8217;t say or imply that people don&#8217;t need forgiveness and acceptance.  of course we all do, whether it&#8217;s for a &#8220;little white lie&#8221; or the &#8220;worst&#8221; sin imaginable (please note the intentional inclusion of quotation marks).  i simply stated that it is human nature (whether a person is a Christian or not) to take into account people&#8217;s worst moments, including their own.  i didn&#8217;t say it was the right thing to do or the Christian thing to do.  but it is human nature.  and becoming a Christian doesn&#8217;t obliterate our human nature.  it gives us ultimate victory over sin and death, but it doesn&#8217;t obliterate our human nature.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2005 02:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fajita!! "If I hear a person from a pulpit say they are "pleased to be part of such a diverse church" speaking to a bunch of white suburbians I am going to puke!"

Amen!!!!!</description>
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<p>Amen!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2005/02/25/110928250854155587#comment-3151</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2005 02:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed - may I suggest that what was meant by "why would anyone want to be known by their worst moment" refers to our penchant for calling believers/Christians addicts, alcoholics, etc. albeit recovering ones.  My former pastor/teacher used to say this from the pulpit, reminding those with these horrible problems that all of us have been cleansed by the blood of Jesus and are now His redeemed - some of us coming out of addicitions, or alcholism, but as His co-heirs, we are no longer "addicts" etc. we are His saints.  We are children of the Almighty Creator, God of the Universe with sin problems.

We need to be reminded that it is in that cleansing we become indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and we no longer have to rely on ourselves.  We also now have an enormous, world-wide family that loves us and supports us in our walk with God and our daily struggles.

We in our churcnes should be the first to encourage each other as we all try to overcome our own personal addictions.  Not all of them are to alcohol or drugs.  Each of us knows what our own addicition is and where we need prayers, support and accountability from our fellow believers.

Let the world continue to besmirch someone struggling with an addiction, but let us in the churches be the ones that lift up and stand by all of us that are struggling. Btw-I know of no one that isn't struggling, so it remains a mystery how any of us can look down our judgmental noses at anyone with sin problems in their lives.  None of us is exempt.  It's just that we've learned how to keep our sin undercover as we present our squeaky clean image to the church and the world.  right?  :o)

My fervent and repeated prayer is that one day anyone with any problem can walk into a church building, announce their sin addicition and be welcomed immediately with loving, open hearts by everyone - be ministered to immediately and continually. 

When we learn how to minister to our own, we should then have a better understanding and have developed the heart skills to help those out in the world.  

Personally, I'm so thankful there was such a church family, in fact more than one, in my life.  Without their love, teaching, encouragement truly only God knows where I'd be today.  But He DID redeem me - He grabbed me by the scruff of the neck and lifted me up into His loving arms - He forgave me, showed me what true love is all about, His love, then He freed me from the prison of my own personal sin addictions.  

My grateful heart wants only to spend the rest of my life hugging others in their struggles, aiming them at the Cross where they too can rejoice in His love for them.    Praise Him!!!!

[forgive the rant, but just can't help it.  There are so many hurting out there - we really need to look people in the eye, try to see what the expression is - to see if they're sad, hurting, or whatever, and ask the LORD to give us of His words to ask them if there's something we can do to help, starting with prayer, if they say it's okay (I always ask if it's okay if I pray for them.  No one to date has said no.  It always seems to bring a sigh of relief and a smile to their face when I ask that question).  Again, sorry this got so long and drawn out.  Mea Culpa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed - may I suggest that what was meant by &#8220;why would anyone want to be known by their worst moment&#8221; refers to our penchant for calling believers/Christians addicts, alcoholics, etc. albeit recovering ones.  My former pastor/teacher used to say this from the pulpit, reminding those with these horrible problems that all of us have been cleansed by the blood of Jesus and are now His redeemed - some of us coming out of addicitions, or alcholism, but as His co-heirs, we are no longer &#8220;addicts&#8221; etc. we are His saints.  We are children of the Almighty Creator, God of the Universe with sin problems.</p>
<p>We need to be reminded that it is in that cleansing we become indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and we no longer have to rely on ourselves.  We also now have an enormous, world-wide family that loves us and supports us in our walk with God and our daily struggles.</p>
<p>We in our churcnes should be the first to encourage each other as we all try to overcome our own personal addictions.  Not all of them are to alcohol or drugs.  Each of us knows what our own addicition is and where we need prayers, support and accountability from our fellow believers.</p>
<p>Let the world continue to besmirch someone struggling with an addiction, but let us in the churches be the ones that lift up and stand by all of us that are struggling. Btw-I know of no one that isn&#8217;t struggling, so it remains a mystery how any of us can look down our judgmental noses at anyone with sin problems in their lives.  None of us is exempt.  It&#8217;s just that we&#8217;ve learned how to keep our sin undercover as we present our squeaky clean image to the church and the world.  right?  :o)</p>
<p>My fervent and repeated prayer is that one day anyone with any problem can walk into a church building, announce their sin addicition and be welcomed immediately with loving, open hearts by everyone - be ministered to immediately and continually. </p>
<p>When we learn how to minister to our own, we should then have a better understanding and have developed the heart skills to help those out in the world.  </p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m so thankful there was such a church family, in fact more than one, in my life.  Without their love, teaching, encouragement truly only God knows where I&#8217;d be today.  But He DID redeem me - He grabbed me by the scruff of the neck and lifted me up into His loving arms - He forgave me, showed me what true love is all about, His love, then He freed me from the prison of my own personal sin addictions.  </p>
<p>My grateful heart wants only to spend the rest of my life hugging others in their struggles, aiming them at the Cross where they too can rejoice in His love for them.    Praise Him!!!!</p>
<p>[forgive the rant, but just can&#8217;t help it.  There are so many hurting out there - we really need to look people in the eye, try to see what the expression is - to see if they&#8217;re sad, hurting, or whatever, and ask the LORD to give us of His words to ask them if there&#8217;s something we can do to help, starting with prayer, if they say it&#8217;s okay (I always ask if it&#8217;s okay if I pray for them.  No one to date has said no.  It always seems to bring a sigh of relief and a smile to their face when I ask that question).  Again, sorry this got so long and drawn out.  Mea Culpa.</p>
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		<title>By: Fajita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fajita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2005 02:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, on my blog there is a way to e-mail me. I'd love to hook up for lunch. 

Also, how many churches of Christ are very much the same? Most of them. So, if every "normal" church of Christ gave birth to a "weird" church of some kind, I think that we would do a lot better job of connecting with more people. 

And when I say give birth, I mean fund it and let it go so far as restrictions, but remain connected in meaningful mentoring. 

Diversity in church is kind of like diversity in a mutual fund. Over the long haul, it's the best way to do things. RIght now we are having a hard time diversifying even the kinds of churches there are let alone the make up of who is in any given church. (I'm on a tangent) If I hear a person from a pulpit say they are "pleased to be part of such a diverse church" speaking to a bunch of white suburbians I am going to puke!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, on my blog there is a way to e-mail me. I&#8217;d love to hook up for lunch. </p>
<p>Also, how many churches of Christ are very much the same? Most of them. So, if every &#8220;normal&#8221; church of Christ gave birth to a &#8220;weird&#8221; church of some kind, I think that we would do a lot better job of connecting with more people. </p>
<p>And when I say give birth, I mean fund it and let it go so far as restrictions, but remain connected in meaningful mentoring. </p>
<p>Diversity in church is kind of like diversity in a mutual fund. Over the long haul, it&#8217;s the best way to do things. RIght now we are having a hard time diversifying even the kinds of churches there are let alone the make up of who is in any given church. (I&#8217;m on a tangent) If I hear a person from a pulpit say they are &#8220;pleased to be part of such a diverse church&#8221; speaking to a bunch of white suburbians I am going to puke!</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;"There's real discipleship: take up your cross, become comfortable, and follow me."&lt;/I&gt;Stepping out of our "comfort zone" makes us experience anxiety.  The natural human response to anxiety is avoidance of the object causing anxiety and then if avoidance is not a possibility hostility towards that object.  I think you see this phenomenon portrayed in today's churches relatively well.  Either churches try to avoid "the world" or they condemn "the world." without ever getting close to touching or changing it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;There&#8217;s real discipleship: take up your cross, become comfortable, and follow me.&#8221;</i>Stepping out of our &#8220;comfort zone&#8221; makes us experience anxiety.  The natural human response to anxiety is avoidance of the object causing anxiety and then if avoidance is not a possibility hostility towards that object.  I think you see this phenomenon portrayed in today&#8217;s churches relatively well.  Either churches try to avoid &#8220;the world&#8221; or they condemn &#8220;the world.&#8221; without ever getting close to touching or changing it!</p>
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		<title>By: Mary-Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary-Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike
I am hooked on your blogs.  I have to read it everyday.  It has become a little highlight in my day.  Your Friday blog is something that so many people I love are struggling with right now.  Many of my friends feel like they are faking their christianity, can't share struggles with fellow christians at church, much less confess any sins.  So many people I love are struggling and doing it alone.  How do we break out?  But, at the same time, I don't want to just throw up my hands and forget the people who seem "scared" or "uncomfortable" with change.  These people do love God and have helped shape who I am.  Where do we go from here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike<br />
I am hooked on your blogs.  I have to read it everyday.  It has become a little highlight in my day.  Your Friday blog is something that so many people I love are struggling with right now.  Many of my friends feel like they are faking their christianity, can&#8217;t share struggles with fellow christians at church, much less confess any sins.  So many people I love are struggling and doing it alone.  How do we break out?  But, at the same time, I don&#8217;t want to just throw up my hands and forget the people who seem &#8220;scared&#8221; or &#8220;uncomfortable&#8221; with change.  These people do love God and have helped shape who I am.  Where do we go from here?</p>
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		<title>By: Niki</title>
		<link>http://preachermike.com/2005/02/25/110928250854155587#comment-3147</link>
		<dc:creator>Niki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't understand Ed's comment.  No one wants to be known for their worst moments. Including you Ed.  Don't we want people to look at us and see a person who is doing their best to walk in faith, and  daily bring themselves to the foot of the cross for healing and forgiveness?   We have to remember that God doesn't see sin in degrees from not so bad to horribly offensive. In our culture, and in our churches, we tend to do just that.  I do know church folk who know others by their worst moments and don't want to be in the same assembly as them, yet will sit in my pew even though I told a white lie to keep myself out of trouble, or something equally dumb like that.  They'll worship with me as long as my sexual preference is correct for my gender, and I'm in right standing with whatever the current christian politically correct issues of the day happen to be.    What Mike said makes sense, and I'm one of many who are struggling to do what God would have me do and yet reamain a part of the traditional church I grew up in.  We all have our worst moments, some are just better at concealing them from others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand Ed&#8217;s comment.  No one wants to be known for their worst moments. Including you Ed.  Don&#8217;t we want people to look at us and see a person who is doing their best to walk in faith, and  daily bring themselves to the foot of the cross for healing and forgiveness?   We have to remember that God doesn&#8217;t see sin in degrees from not so bad to horribly offensive. In our culture, and in our churches, we tend to do just that.  I do know church folk who know others by their worst moments and don&#8217;t want to be in the same assembly as them, yet will sit in my pew even though I told a white lie to keep myself out of trouble, or something equally dumb like that.  They&#8217;ll worship with me as long as my sexual preference is correct for my gender, and I&#8217;m in right standing with whatever the current christian politically correct issues of the day happen to be.    What Mike said makes sense, and I&#8217;m one of many who are struggling to do what God would have me do and yet reamain a part of the traditional church I grew up in.  We all have our worst moments, some are just better at concealing them from others.</p>
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